8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Not really a good comparison.  Bryant is 34 years old and is still owned $78 million over three years, all guaranteed years and money.  He also has chronic lumbar degenerative disk disease.  He’s not likely to ever be productive again, or even finish out his contract.  If he even plays, it will likely be as a full-time DH.

Meanwhile, Robert is only 28 years old, is owed either 1/$22 million or 2/$40 million, is relatively healthy (albeit injury-prone), and can play Gold Glove defense in CF.

I'm not that deeply invested in my joke. I got nothing.

I had to take a beat to not try to "win". I think fanbases are predisposed to hate their own players, but believe they're worth more than their team got for them, even though they're relieved to be out from under the contract or disappointment of that player. The same sentiment that we feel about Robert probably hits Mets' fans about Acuña's failed prospect. 

Phillies' fans would hate the return for Castellanos, while happy to be rid of him.

Edited January 24Jan 24 by WestEddy

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm not that deeply invested in my joke. I got nothing.

I get your point regardless, but the Mets are loaded with infielders.  Ronny Mauricio can essentially replace Acuna’s utility role.  Mets fans that don’t like this trade are nuts.  They have a Gold Glove center fielder with hitting potential for up to two years and didn’t have to pay $240 million for him.

Edited January 24Jan 24 by WhiteSox2023

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I get your point regardless, but the Mets are loaded with infielders.  Ronny Mauricio can essentially replace Acuna’s utility role.  Mets fans that don’t like this trade are nuts.  They have an outfielder with potential and didn’t have to pay $240 million for him.

But still, if we were to trade Curtis Mead, we'd still hate a market driven return, because we'd still overvalue him, and then build in Adrian Houser's peak value. Acuña cost them Scherzer. He was the lone player coming back for Max. 

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But still, if we were to trade Curtis Mead, we'd still hate a market driven return, because we'd still overvalue him, and then build in Adrian Houser's peak value. Acuña cost them Scherzer. He was the lone player coming back for Max. 

I don’t think anyone overvalues Mead.  He’s out of options and there may even be a slight possibility that he doesn’t make the opening day roster.  I’m guessing he does but I still don’t think people would be devastated at losing Mead.  Like @GreenSox always complains about, Getz should have dealt Houser for some younger lottery tickets.

I just think with where both teams are, Robert is a great pickup for the Mets, so whatever fans are complaining are just upset they missed out on Tucker.  Acuna isn’t bad for us either, but we just wish we received more.

Edited January 24Jan 24 by WhiteSox2023

18 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But still, if we were to trade Curtis Mead, we'd still hate a market driven return, because we'd still overvalue him, and then build in Adrian Houser's peak value. Acuña cost them Scherzer. He was the lone player coming back for Max. 

Over value Curtis Mead?  I think your egg nog is dangerously expired. 

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Over value Curtis Mead?  I think your egg nog is dangerously expired. 

Let's wait until they have to trade or DFA Mead. I'm sure you'll be happy with the return or result. 

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Let's wait until they have to trade or DFA Mead. I'm sure you'll be happy with the return or result. 

Unless Curtis Mead goes ham, I expect a DFA, just like the line of post-hype reclamation projects over the last few years.

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Let's wait until they have to trade or DFA Mead. I'm sure you'll be happy with the return or result. 

I don’t think anyone will be that upset considering they turned a midseason signing of a mediocre starter in Houser into Mead.  Like I said before, people will just wish Getz had traded Houser for younger lottery pick prospects like @GreenSox complained about immediately after the trade, rather than a post-hype prospect that a better developmental organization in the Rays was willing to give up on.

Edited January 24Jan 24 by WhiteSox2023

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t think anyone will be that upset considering they turned a midseason signing of a mediocre starter in Houser into Mead.  Like I said before, people will just wish Getz had traded Houser for younger lottery pick prospects like @GreenSox complained about immediately after the trade, rather than a post-hype prospect that a better developmental organization in the Rays was willing to give up on.

There were 2 other pieces in that deal FWIW

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

There were 2 other pieces in that deal FWIW

Peoples is a nothing burger and the Sox seem to love 26 year old Davitt more than his performance has earned.  He must have some great stuff.

22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Peoples is a nothing burger and the Sox seem to love 26 year old Davitt more than his performance has earned.  He must have some great stuff.

Apparently, Davitt was getting trade interest after the World Series, so Getz protected him. Do other teams do that? Start calling other teams asking to trade for a guy on the bubble just to head fake another team into protecting someone they didn't have to?

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Mets fans hate the trade?  Where is this?

I assume they only hate it because they missed out on bigger FA outfield targets and had to settle for a trade for Robert.

Exactly. 

The Getz trade acquisition that could really help is Pereira.  He looks like a blueprint AAAA hitter – rakes in AAA but can’t do squat in the majors – but his major league sample size is still slight, so there is hope.  The Sox gave up 2 major league pitchers for him, albeit back of the roster guys.

12 hours ago, GreenSox said:

The Getz trade acquisition that could really help is Pereira.  He looks like a blueprint AAAA hitter – rakes in AAA but can’t do squat in the majors – but his major league sample size is still slight, so there is hope.  The Sox gave up 2 major league pitchers for him, albeit back of the roster guys.

But that has been the strategy for years.  The guy you hate and that looks very Meadiocre had the very same studly minor league numbers.  Vargas did too.

13 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Apparently, Davitt was getting trade interest after the World Series, so Getz protected him. Do other teams do that? Start calling other teams asking to trade for a guy on the bubble just to head fake another team into protecting someone they didn't have to?

Getz said Peoples was getting trade interest as well.  Of course he is going to hype these guys up, just like did did with Acuna.  And trade interest in a Rule 5 guy could be offering literally anything of value or no value.

19 hours ago, GreenSox said:

The Getz trade acquisition that could really help is Pereira.  He looks like a blueprint AAAA hitter – rakes in AAA but can’t do squat in the majors – but his major league sample size is still slight, so there is hope.  The Sox gave up 2 major league pitchers for him, albeit back of the roster guys.

He's the most intriguing guy they've picked up this off-season (beside Murakami I guess), but that K Rate is scary which is probably why he got so little run. It was crazy high in the minors and then basically became unplayable in the big leagues. 

Him and Murakami could strike out 500 times between them if they got enough run.

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He's the most intriguing guy they've picked up this off-season (beside Murakami I guess), but that K Rate is scary which is probably why he got so little run. It was crazy high in the minors and then basically became unplayable in the big leagues. 

Him and Murakami could strike out 500 times between them if they got enough run.

I agree.  Fuller will fix ‘em though!

10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He's the most intriguing guy they've picked up this off-season (beside Murakami I guess), but that K Rate is scary which is probably why he got so little run. It was crazy high in the minors and then basically became unplayable in the big leagues. 

Him and Murakami could strike out 500 times between them if they got enough run.

One thing to add is Periera doesn’t chase a ton…he was squarely around league average last year in AAA and above average in the majors.  His K issues have been more driven by poor in zone contact and I truly believe that’s far more addressable (within reason) than teaching someone at this stage of their career to radically improve their swing decisions.  Given his double plus bat speed, there are likely some approach changes that can be implemented situationally to improve his contact rates with only minor sacrifices to his power output.  It’s still a risky profile but one I am eager see first hand this spring.

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

One thing to add is Periera doesn’t chase a ton…he was squarely around league average last year in AAA and above average in the majors.  His K issues have been more driven by poor in zone contact and I truly believe that’s far more addressable (within reason) than teaching someone at this stage of their career to radically improve their swing decisions.  Given his double plus bat speed, there are likely some approach changes that can be implemented situationally to improve his contact rates with only minor sacrifices to his power output.  It’s still a risky profile but one I am eager see first hand this spring.

Interesting. Id almost argue the opposite. Usually in zone issues are related to swing path which is harder to overhaul than discipline itself which can improve with reps.

Always like to read a different perspective. 

Id say teams will move on from guys that have contact issues and need complete swing overhauls more quickly than someone who has recognition issues. Recognition issues can sometimes be resolved by just putting someone in front of a machine and forcing them to watch and engage at 100000 pitches in a certain area.

Edited January 25Jan 25 by Look at Ray Ray Run

Think it might in the Athletic today that the Sox lowered their return from the Mets due to the Mets taking on the whole deal.

21 minutes ago, fathom said:

Think it might in the Athletic today that the Sox lowered their return from the Mets due to the Mets taking on the whole deal.

Of course they did.  Needed that extra money for 30+ old reliever.  Ah, the White Sox. 

22 minutes ago, fathom said:

Think it might in the Athletic today that the Sox lowered their return from the Mets due to the Mets taking on the whole deal.

But of course.

Jerry strikes again…

On 1/23/2026 at 5:44 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Over value Curtis Mead?  I think your egg nog is dangerously expired. 

tell that to Getz

On 1/20/2026 at 9:31 PM, chw42 said:

His swing looks just like his brother's. He just doesn't have his brother's build or athleticism. 

Yoelkis feels some of that pain