9 minutes ago, fathom said:

I couldn’t care less how Kay and Fedde do. I’m still considering this a lost season, and I hope to see Smith show he can be a rotation member in the coming years.

Those guys are place holders and lottery tickets. Nothing more.

I'd like to revise my prediction please.

I really don't want yet another 100 loss season where the Sox can't pick higher than 10th.

On 3/25/2026 at 12:55 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

We can't see who voted for what and shame them. Booo this man.

Is there a little person icon on the right side of every poll option? I can see it and if I tap it, it shows me who voted what

not sure if that’s a mod level function since it wasn’t in the prior software

I selected 75-78

11 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Is there a little person icon on the right side of every poll option? I can see it and if I tap it, it shows me who voted what

not sure if that’s a mod level function since it wasn’t in the prior software

We can see the little person icons but they are grayed out and unclickable for us peasants.

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

We can see the little person icons but they are grayed out and unclickable for us peasants.

What a weird update.

Mine are grey too but if I touch them, I get a cleaner version of what I saw before

Maybe it’s a configuration option that was defaulted to off after the upgrade?

17 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

I really don't want yet another 100 loss season where the Sox can't pick higher than 10th.

I don't think anyone WANTS it, but also, welcome to reality.

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't think anyone WANTS it, but also, welcome to reality.

I was kinda hoping that they'd get to like 95 losses which wouldn't sting so much.

Last season at the end of ST I thought that they'd be even worse than 2024. I think its possible again to be historically bad.

3 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

I was kinda hoping that they'd get to like 95 losses which wouldn't sting so much.

Last season at the end of ST I thought that they'd be even worse than 2024. I think its possible again to be historically bad.

Eh, don't ready too much into one game. They will be better this year. If they are worse, a LOT of things went really wrong, and my 2030 prediction might actually be in trouble.

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Eh, don't ready too much into one game. They will be better this year. If they are worse, a LOT of things went really wrong, and my 2030 prediction might actually be in trouble.

I obviously don't think one game matters, and I have them around 67 wins for the season, but their bottom 30% pitching outcome is historically bad... and the bottom 30% isn't exactly all that unlikely or impossible.

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I obviously don't think one game matters, and I have them around 67 wins for the season, but their bottom 30% pitching outcome is historically bad... and the bottom 30% isn't exactly all that unlikely or impossible.

Their pitching is all about what the big 3 starters are doing at AAA. I said it before, but their AAA rotation is probably better than their MLB one. I fully expect at least one of those guys, possibly all three, to be part of the rotation by September call ups. If it's not, we are fucked.

36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Their pitching is all about what the big 3 starters are doing at AAA. I said it before, but their AAA rotation is probably better than their MLB one. I fully expect at least one of those guys, possibly all three, to be part of the rotation by September call ups. If it's not, we are fucked.

Hagen Smith can't throw strikes. For me, he's 70/30 a reliever at this point.

I'm still a big believer in Schultz, but hopefully his lower body actually is stronger this year because he needs it.

McDougal I don't think has the command in the zone to succeed right away in the big leagues.

There is no cavalry coming to the rescue in my opinion. And that occurrence would be on the other side of the median outcome.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Hagen Smith can't throw strikes. For me, he's 70/30 a reliever at this point.

I'm still a big believer in Schultz, but hopefully his lower body actually is stronger this year because he needs it.

McDougal I don't think has the command in the zone to succeed right away in the big leagues.

There is no cavalry coming to the rescue in my opinion. And that occurrence would be on the other side of the median outcome.

If we end up on the downside of these guys, heads should roll. They won't, but they should, because this rebuild just got kneecapped. Taylor ended up in the pen already is a bullet in the foot.

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Hagen Smith can't throw strikes. For me, he's 70/30 a reliever at this point.

I'm still a big believer in Schultz, but hopefully his lower body actually is stronger this year because he needs it.

McDougal I don't think has the command in the zone to succeed right away in the big leagues.

There is no cavalry coming to the rescue in my opinion. And that occurrence would be on the other side of the median outcome.

I’m still hoping it’s because he’s working on things in the minors, but it’s just like Wolkow with his strikeouts. They won’t be successful in the majors with rates that high.

Most of us are skeptical of the rotation to one degree or another. The first game against the Brewers only reinforced that skepticism even it was only one start/starter. It was not difficult to imagine the rest of the rotation getting lit up early and then the bullpen getting worked over to cover many more innings than they should, and without Vasil.

I am trying to tell myself it was only one game, but that is what a blow-out does. Meanwhile, we read that our top pitching prospects have issues that could prevent them from advancing to become starting pitchers, at least in the near future. Then, of course, this is Jerry's fault and Getz should be fired and wait for Ishbia to spend money on player contracts, perhaps after a salary cap is agreed to.

Meanwhile, I am trying to stay as positive as I can and will savor every win we can get, no matter what. Maybe let them play the games while tuning out some of the naysayers, negativity and BS, including some of the dire predictions out there. Enjoy baseball and the White Sox every game and enjoy your life every day.

To end on a positive note, our line-up has several players that have home run potential that could overcome some deficits. Let's get Teel back in there and hope that Mune, Colson, Acuna, Vargas, Sosa and others power us to more wins than expected. Let's go.

1 hour ago, tray said:

Most of us are skeptical of the rotation to one degree or another. The first game against the Brewers only reinforced that skepticism even it was only one start/starter. It was not difficult to imagine the rest of the rotation getting lit up early and then the bullpen getting worked over to cover many more innings than they should, and without Vasil.

I am trying to tell myself it was only one game, but that is what a blow-out does. Meanwhile, we read that our top pitching prospects have issues that could prevent them from advancing to become starting pitchers, at least in the near future. Then, of course, this is Jerry's fault and Getz should be fired and wait for Ishbia to spend money on player contracts, perhaps after a salary cap is agreed to.

Meanwhile, I am trying to stay as positive as I can and will savor every win we can get, no matter what. Maybe let them play the games while tuning out some of the naysayers, negativity and BS, including some of the dire predictions out there. Enjoy baseball and the White Sox every game and enjoy your life every day.

To end on a positive note, our line-up has several players that have home run potential that could overcome some deficits. Let's get Teel back in there and hope that Mune, Colson, Acuna, Vargas, Sosa and others power us to more wins than expected. Let's go.

Different fans look at the sport in different ways so I don't begrudge you your feelings.

Others, like myself, feel that winning is also part of things and since 2007 the White Sox have done very little of this.

I can only speak for myself but it doesn't matter much to me if the sun is shining, the beer is cold or how many fans are in the stands. That's all secondary, the top item is did the Sox win the game? Are they having a good season??

And I simply can't see the MLBPA agreeing to a salary cap in any way, shape or form. When Ishbia takes over he'll have the financial resources to buy whatever pitching he needs should he choose to do so.

I'm beginning to wonder if this organization is far worse than we think. The only consistency is bad. Are the same things taught throughout the farm?

They don't seem to have any coaches with a magic wand who can improve a younger players weakness in the farm system.

There are too many constant negatives far more than a decade.

I'm not a Getz apologists but maybe trying to piece meal a broken system is beyond him. His past is tied into another habitual losing organization. I have no idea if Ishbia is doing extensive research on getting the right people and the right philosophy for winning. Like does he have his own group of private consultants.

We can be optimistic about a player here and there in the minors but only one or two in one level isn't gonna cut it if you aren't going to be serious in free agency or rewarding your own players.

there are too many teams trying to be budget and will never get success. Then you also have the Mets.

For fans of teams that suck competitive has a low bar.

42 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

I'm beginning to wonder if this organization is far worse than we think. The only consistency is bad. Are the same things taught throughout the farm?

They don't seem to have any coaches with a magic wand who can improve a younger players weakness in the farm system.

There are too many constant negatives far more than a decade.

I'm not a Getz apologists but maybe trying to piece meal a broken system is beyond him. His past is tied into another habitual losing organization. I have no idea if Ishbia is doing extensive research on getting the right people and the right philosophy for winning. Like does he have his own group of private consultants.

We can be optimistic about a player here and there in the minors but only one or two in one level isn't gonna cut it if you aren't going to be serious in free agency or rewarding your own players.

there are too many teams trying to be budget and will never get success. Then you also have the Mets.

For fans of teams that suck competitive has a low bar.

I absolutely agree losing in ingrained in this organization and because so few times are anybody held accountable by JR who has publicly admitted multiple times he really dislikes having to fire people, nothing really changes.

For years according to a story by Mark Gonzales when he was still covering the Sox for the Tribune, the Sox spent the least amount of money in all baseball on their minor league system. I don't know how much that may have changed but I'm reminded of something my dad always said, "you get what you pay for..."

With JR as owner the results shouldn't surprise anybody.

56 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

I'm beginning to wonder if this organization is far worse than we think. The only consistency is bad. Are the same things taught throughout the farm?

They don't seem to have any coaches with a magic wand who can improve a younger players weakness in the farm system.

There are too many constant negatives far more than a decade.

I'm not a Getz apologists but maybe trying to piece meal a broken system is beyond him. His past is tied into another habitual losing organization. I have no idea if Ishbia is doing extensive research on getting the right people and the right philosophy for winning. Like does he have his own group of private consultants.

We can be optimistic about a player here and there in the minors but only one or two in one level isn't gonna cut it if you aren't going to be serious in free agency or rewarding your own players.

there are too many teams trying to be budget and will never get success. Then you also have the Mets.

For fans of teams that suck competitive has a low bar.

There seems to be a common theme that it's the guys who are developed in other organizations have the most success here.

57-105

2 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

I'm beginning to wonder if this organization is far worse than we think. The only consistency is bad. Are the same things taught throughout the farm?

They don't seem to have any coaches with a magic wand who can improve a younger players weakness in the farm system.

There are too many constant negatives far more than a decade.

I'm not a Getz apologists but maybe trying to piece meal a broken system is beyond him. His past is tied into another habitual losing organization. I have no idea if Ishbia is doing extensive research on getting the right people and the right philosophy for winning. Like does he have his own group of private consultants.

We can be optimistic about a player here and there in the minors but only one or two in one level isn't gonna cut it if you aren't going to be serious in free agency or rewarding your own players.

there are too many teams trying to be budget and will never get success. Then you also have the Mets.

For fans of teams that suck competitive has a low bar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Getz

To be fair, the Royals had a pretty decent run from 2014-2016.

Two WS appearances, would have been two titles if not for Madison Bumgarner.

Gotta be pretty embarrassing to give up the most runs in all of baseball as a team when you’ve only played one game and other teams have played two. 😆