17 hours ago17 hr 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:What does this even mean?They acquired Mead at the trade deadline last year. Can you imagine if they threw Vargas away after a half a season?Isn't the point of assessing moves to review them after results start matriculating in?You can enjoy this team being competitive without being hyperbolic.Funny you bring up two post hype guys developing into quality major leaguers after asserting it wasn’t a market inefficiency that could be exploited.
17 hours ago17 hr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:This is an absolutely absurd hindsight take. Dude put up a 64 wRC+ for us last year and I don’t recall you saying we should have kept him over Sosa. What’s funny is I actually said multiple times we should probably trade Sosa to open up a spot on the bench for Mead this year and even I can’t rip Getz for trading him.And Benintendi being on this roster isn’t Getz’s fault, it’s Jerry’s fault for being a dumb cheap f***.Hindsight? Well given that I said I thought Mead would be a plus player this year, doesn't seem like hindsight to me. But hey... let's pretend like there's nothing that could be done. You can't even admit that the Sox are mediocre so youre not exactly some arbitor of rational takes. The AL being bad doesnt mean the White Sox are "good" by the way.
17 hours ago17 hr 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Hindsight? Well given that I said I thought Mead would be a plus player this year, doesn't seem like hindsight to me. But hey... let's pretend like there's nothing that could be done.You can't even admit that the Sox are mediocre so youre not exactly some arbitor of rational takes.The AL being bad doesnt mean the White Sox are "good" by the way.Doing a whole WELL ACKUALLY! on the season the Sox are having compared to the expectations they had is wild, but have fun with that.
17 hours ago17 hr Just now, Chicago White Sox said:Funny you bring up two post hype guys developing into quality major leaguers after asserting it wasn’t a market inefficiency that could be exploited.A market inefficiency lol.Youre killing me. Such an inefficiency that the Sox moved on from the guy for Acuna (post hype guy lol) and Benetendi. And the other success is a guy who added more bat speed in the off season than anyone in baseball... something that seems pretty unlikely to happen! Steroids or just great strength training, either way I love his commitment to the team!
17 hours ago17 hr 2 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:Doing a whole WELL ACKUALLY! on the season the Sox are having compared to the expectations they had is wild, but have fun with that.What? I can enjoy something and have fun with it without being irrational about what it is. Sorry it hurts you feelings to read that theyre a mediocre team.
17 hours ago17 hr 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:What? I can enjoy something and have fun with it without being irrational about what it is.Sorry it hurts you feelings to read that theyre a mediocre team.Okay, guy who is mad about Mike Vasil in the dugout.
17 hours ago17 hr 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:The Sox have a run differential of 1. By definition that is a mediocre baseball team.The fact that someone like you doesnt understand that is amazing.Im sorry that youve had your expectations recalibrate by being a historically inept franchise, but understand it is the lack of expectations that is making this so much fun. Not the fact that this is some great team. Or even good.You can be fun and not great. Thats why throwing away years and years of trying to compete was such a disaster.I guess I don’t view average as being mediocre, but that’s just semantics. I also think looking at YTD run differential lacks all context. This team is super young and is getting better. In May, we lead the majors in runs scored at 137 and are 17th in runs allowed at 112. That’s a 25 run differential for the month so far, which is 6th overall in the league and better than current ALC leader in CLE. I know you don’t like anything but full season samples, but unfortunately context is pretty important when assessing young players and an overall young team.
16 hours ago16 hr 19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Hindsight? Well given that I said I thought Mead would be a plus player this year, doesn't seem like hindsight to me. But hey... let's pretend like there's nothing that could be done.You can't even admit that the Sox are mediocre so youre not exactly some arbitor of rational takes.The AL being bad doesnt mean the White Sox are "good" by the way.Are these quotes from you when we DFAed Mead? Doesn’t sound like someone one who was confident Mead was going to be a plus player this year.I didn't like the trade at the time, but I would have liked to give Mead some run this year to see if he could tap into the power he had pre-injury.How about this; stop trading with the Dodgers and Rays thinking you're going to tap into something with a player that they couldn't. Let's start with an organization like the Rockies and work our way up!
16 hours ago16 hr 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:Are these quotes from you when we DFAed Mead? Doesn’t sound like someone one who was confident Mead was going to be a plus player this year.Ray started a prediction thread before the season stating he thinks Mead is going to do good this year.
16 hours ago16 hr 25 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:Okay, guy who is mad about Mike Vasil in the dugout.The guy was all over everybody for the lack of Lenyn Sosa love last season. I guess crowing about Lenyn's 30 wRC+ in Toronto isn't part of the genre.
16 hours ago16 hr 26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:A market inefficiency lol.Youre killing me. Such an inefficiency that the Sox moved on from the guy for Acuna (post hype guy lol) and Benetendi. And the other success is a guy who added more bat speed in the off season than anyone in baseball... something that seems pretty unlikely to happen! Steroids or just great strength training, either way I love his commitment to the team!Regarding Vargas, maybe an org that was broken to its core finally made the foundational changes that allow for the development of our young players.And yes, giving post hype guys playing time is a market inefficiency that rebuilding clubs can take advantage. The Sox acquired two previous 55 FV types and they are both now productive major leaguers with one being a legit star. The strategy not working every time (even though Acuna was never the same level of prospect) doesn’t change that fact. Neither does us moving on from one of said players given a rebuilding club picked him up and game him the runway he needed to develop. No fucking clue what Benintendi has to do with any of this.
16 hours ago16 hr 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:Ray started a prediction thread before the season stating he thinks Mead is going to do good this year.No he didn’t…he predicted he would outplay Vargas. Never once does he suggest Mead would be a “plus” player or anything akin to that.Curtis Mead outplays Miguel Vargas, partly because Miguel Vargas further solidifies himself as a pumpkin but also because Mead finds a little bit of that lost from with the broken wrist in 2023. It's a now-or-never year for Mead, who had much more promise than Vargas pre-injury.
16 hours ago16 hr 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:I guess I don’t view average as being mediocre, but that’s just semantics. I also think looking at YTD run differential lacks all context. This team is super young and is getting better. In May, we lead the majors in runs scored at 137 and are 17th in runs allowed at 112. That’s a 25 run differential for the month so far, which is 6th overall in the league and better than current ALC leader in CLE. I know you don’t like anything but full season samples, but unfortunately context is pretty important when assessing young players and an overall young team.me·di·ocreadjectivemediocre (adjective)- of only average quality; not very good:I wouldn't call a team that has top 3 players at 3B and 1B, 6th best SS, and a top 10 CF "mediocre". Their record projects to 85 wins. That's a lucky week from the playoffs. The Sox also project to have over a third of the roster clear 2 fWAR. That's good.
16 hours ago16 hr 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:me·di·ocreadjectivemediocre (adjective)- of only average quality; not very good:I wouldn't call a team that has top 3 players at 3B and 1B, 6th best SS, and a top 10 CF "mediocre". Their record projects to 85 wins. That's a lucky week from the playoffs. The Sox also project to have over a third of the roster clear 2 fWAR. That's good.This team has the 6th best run differential in May. Personally, I think we are much closer to the May team than the April one. As such, I don’t view YTD run differential as a good proxy for this team’s quality.
16 hours ago16 hr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:This team has the 6th best run differential in May. Personally, I think we are much closer to the May team than the April one. As such, I don’t view YTD run differential as a good proxy for this team’s quality.Yeah, the 10-run wins and losses are kind of the outliers. RD was -31 after 6 games. That puts them +32 over the next 51 games.
15 hours ago15 hr 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:Regarding Vargas, maybe an org that was broken to its core finally made the foundational changes that allow for the development of our young players.And yes, giving post hype guys playing time is a market inefficiency that rebuilding clubs can take advantage. The Sox acquired two previous 55 FV types and they are both now productive major leaguers with one being a legit star. The strategy not working every time (even though Acuna was never the same level of prospect) doesn’t change that fact. Neither does us moving on from one of said players given a rebuilding club picked him up and game him the runway he needed to develop.No fucking clue what Benintendi has to do with any of this.Basically it comes down to this. There's a certain segment of Soxtalk that supported the 1st rebuild with all their heart but refuse to treat the previous 3 years as a rebuild . They treat it as just a lousy normal record. Then there are others who while not as adamant as THOSE people who have their loyalties to the wolfpack of condemnation of 3 years that held the upper hand. I have no idea why they could support the 1st rebuild but not the 2nd one. Is it just Getz being in charge of it or does it go deeper into their heart and soul and trust being being betrayed and now they are fragile.You see a lot of talk about you can still criticize and we are gatekeeping but it goes way beyond being critical. Hell I'll criticize JR till my typing fingers are bleeding and because of that I feel the chances of resigning Mune are not good and that would be a huge blow to the organization. And if you focus on just the record and don't view it as a rebuild then you're viewing it wrongly. It's that simple. Now THOSE people can ignore or say that the foundation Getz has built cannot be judged yet and its incomplete. However, the way the rebuild has advanced points to a lot of positives in that foundation. Look at how a lot of the Orioles top prospects have sputtered and compare it to how the Sox top prospects are coming up and actually doing well. Look at how Vargas has improved and Davis Martin. Look at how some of their 5th round draft picks have developed and how Colson went from bust to beautiful. Look at how Jacob Gonzalez has completely changed and bought into the Sox hitting philosophy.If you look at it in the context of a rebuild ( which is what it actually is) things are going great, but if you don't ,were just mediocre. We're not gatekeeping their fandom it's more about your perspective. The Hahn rebuild was a rebuild but this isn't a rebuild ? I don't care what JR said about a quick turnaround or Getz refusing to call it a rebuild early in his tenure just to appease Jerry's view. And if you actually believed that boatload of crap,well, no wonder your China doll panties are in a twist.
15 hours ago15 hr I truthfully don't want to get into any back and forth's about this. I'm having a lot of fun watching this team, and they have brought some life back to summer which is what I've been asking for. I don't want to zap fun from others, which is why I've avoided most commentary that wasn't positive during a great run of baseball.I also think they epitomize the travesty that has been the Sox not trying to even be competitive for so much of the past decade +. You don't have to be great, to be fun. You don't have to be great, to be entertaining. I also said I would not re-calibrate my expectations because the Sox lowered the bar so far. That was their goal, and I would not succumb to that. So I look at this team and I certainly don't see a resounding success. I see a fun team that has had some really great moments. I also see a team that invested very little in itself this off-season, have a payroll (when adjusted for revenue and inflation) that we haven't seen in my lifetime, and a team who is succeeding primarily because of guys who were prior regime players and a stud who fell into their laps (which they deserve 100% credit for taking advantage of)... and I say that because they weren't TRYING to win when they signed Mune, and intention matters to me when evaluating decision making.I'm glad everyone seems happy, and I understand where the euphoria is coming from. Expectations are the thief of job but they're also the cause of irrational optimism. Once you get a little taste after years of cellar dwelling, all those baseball emotions come back to the surface. It's fun to be the underdog, always has been and the Sox are embracing that role.
15 hours ago15 hr 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said:Okay, guy who is mad about Mike Vasil in the dugout.Some of you struggle with a good bit, which makes it an even better bit. So thank you for that.It is annoying, but I obviously don't actually care pal.Can we also get a little laugh that people will jump through immense hoops to give credit to Getz (picking up Roberts option somehow resulted in Sandlin lol) but Getz releasing a guy who has a 143 wRC+ is not his fault and there was nothing he could do about it. Now I know how I sounded with all my Hahn excuses! Edited 15 hours ago15 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run
15 hours ago15 hr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:No he didn’t…he predicted he would outplay Vargas. Never once does he suggest Mead would be a “plus” player or anything akin to that.I have two posts where I picked Mead as a player to be of impact because of returned power. That you quoted yourself. How can you twist this into me not actually thinking anything of Mead? I said "partly" because Vargas would be bad (which i was wrong about!) And partly because of mead regaining power form. Ive been refraining from being overly critical of moves because people lose their minds for pages at a time and it's exhausting. So ive been more tempered but I was pretty clear that I would have given mead much more runway. I even complimented the trade itself last year when everyone here was dogging it. But go ahead and try and reinvent what I said in spite of my actual words.
14 hours ago14 hr 1 hour ago, WestEddy said:Yeah, the 10-run wins and losses are kind of the outliers. RD was -31 after 6 games. That puts them +32 over the next 51 games.Your understanding of statistics is always fascinating to observe.
14 hours ago14 hr I'll add one more breakdown for the it's all Getz crowd.Getz received zero blame for the lack of development and drafting of Hahn, so we're certainly not going to give him credit for Hahn players.Here's the 2026 White Sox pitching staff (guys with > 10 IP) showing that almost all the obtained pitching value is from Rick Hahn players. In fact, Getz arms have more innings but have been worth much less in general. (Position player side is as lopsided in Getz favor, but the best player in the group is a Hahn player)GMWARIPHahn4.8210.8Getz1241.1 Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run
14 hours ago14 hr 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Your understanding of statistics is always fascinating to observe.Yes, being in market research for close to 20 years will give one an understanding of statistics.
14 hours ago14 hr 44 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Some of you struggle with a good bit, which makes it an even better bit. So thank you for that.It is annoying, but I obviously don't actually care pal.Can we also get a little laugh that people will jump through immense hoops to give credit to Getz (picking up Roberts option somehow resulted in Sandlin lol) but Getz releasing a guy who has a 143 wRC+ is not his fault and there was nothing he could do about it. Now I know how I sounded with all my Hahn excuses!Oh yeah, man. Great bit. One of the best.
14 hours ago14 hr 1 minute ago, WestEddy said:Yes, being in market research for close to 20 years will give one an understanding of statistics.That makes it even worse.Let me let you in on a little secret. What you cited are not in fact outliers and every team would be much better if you removed their worst 6 game stretch. They'd also be much worse if you removed their best 6 game stretch. 10% of the games played are not "outliers." Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run
14 hours ago14 hr 2 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:Oh yeah, man. Great bit. One of the best.I preferred his "I'm the only one here smart enough to have an opinion" HBO special.
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