1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

These are the White Sox remember?

Until from a medical standpoint I see things getting better I'll reserve judgement.

Last time we discussed this and you quoted various sources, there was very little medical evidence in it, There was talk from someone about playing shorthanded. That is roster decisions not medical.

Throw Teel in the trash heap. He's never going to be a consistent presence. Sox need a new catcher.. again

35 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

But it doesn't have to be when the past is over and you can live in the present care free until they actually do ruin it again. I do not anticipate it. We had people here saying that 2030 looked optimistic for competing after recent events in the past year.

A new rich owner doesn't solve all problems . Look at the Mets. It has its own set of problems. There is only 1 world Series winner a year so disappointment is build into sports. Perhap moreso as a Sox fan but 3 or 4 years in a row of making the playoffs would be a White Sox golden era. More than 5 in a row would seem miraculous and you'd still be disappointed if none of those resulted in a Championship.

Ever heard of learning from the past?

the sox need to make this playoffs this year before we start to talk about insane hypotheticals like 3-4 years in a row. The century old franchise has never made it even back to back outside the the fake Covid year.

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3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

How? His cleat got stuck in the clay. You could see it on the replay from behind the plate.

Josh Nelson interviewed him on SM most recent podcast. Kratz said Teel needs to stay on his toes and not try to move around on your knees. He goes a lot more in depth about it

Time stamp 6:10

4 minutes ago, Green Line said:

Ever heard of learning from the past?

Who isnt learning from the past? All I can say is yes to that question so whats your point .

3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Who isnt learning from the past? All I can say is yes to that question so whats your point .

You basically said throw the past out and focus on the future, which doesnt make much sense for a White Sox fan

4 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Josh Nelson interviewed him on SM most recent podcast. Kratz said Teel needs to stay on his toes and not try to move around on your knees. He goes a lot more in depth about it

Time stamp 6:10

That has absolutely nothing to do with how he was hurt. He was standing and had to go down for the tag. He was never on his knees to start with. His cleat stuck as he was going down to the ground for the tag.

9 minutes ago, Green Line said:

You basically said throw the past out and focus on the future, which doesnt make much sense for a White Sox fan

You've already got people calling this better than the last rebuild. Even though Getz and company have showed zero ability to identify and develop any pitching at all.

The sad truth is most fans allowed Getz and Jerry bringing the team to horribly inept lows to recalibrate their expectations for a team.

4 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Josh Nelson interviewed him on SM most recent podcast. Kratz said Teel needs to stay on his toes and not try to move around on your knees. He goes a lot more in depth about it

Time stamp 6:10

Right he had to catch it in the catchers crouch or like an infielder with a guy stealing a base and not going to your knees like you are blocking a pitch in the dirt, which is what he did . Plus he was pretty far out in front of the plate and back to the play. He should at least try to be more sideways so he can pivot like an infielder. I realize the 1st priority is to catch it but you cant do anything when runners slide to touch the plate as far away from the catcher as possible. They weren't going to get him at home anyway with his positioning and him sitting on the back of his legs so he couldnt pivot with his knees and feet on the ground. He would've had to catch that throw like a infielder and that kind of catch with a catchers mitt is hard enough and a swipe tags gets kicked at home and that mitt is not ideal for holding onto the ball.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with how he was hurt. He was standing and had to go down for the tag. He was never on his knees to start with. His cleat stuck as he was going down to the ground for the tag.

He was on his knees to catch the ball with his weight like he was blocking a pitch in the dirt. Just because u see him standing there the short hop force him down to his knees with his toes also in the dirt. Kratz was a catcher he saw things differently. I trust him over you .

12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You've already got people calling this better than the last rebuild. Even though Getz and company have showed zero ability to identify and develop any pitching at all.

The sad truth is most fans allowed Getz and Jerry bringing the team to horribly inept lows to recalibrate their expectations for a team.

Yea holy smokes Getz has been around forever and Starting pitching takes such a short time to develop and yet you think they didnt develop Crochet that HOF talent because yea he just magically got better under the Sox watch, Typical damned if you do and damned if you don't stuff Ray Ray.

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with how he was hurt. He was standing and had to go down for the tag. He was never on his knees to start with. His cleat stuck as he was going down to the ground for the tag.

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with how he was hurt. He was standing and had to go down for the tag. He was never on his knees to start with. His cleat stuck as he was going down to the ground for the tag.

Further in line with your observation - Teel's cleats were basically dug into a hole, packed with that soft reddish soil in the home plate area. The turf did not cause the injury, but in my opinion, it sure looked like that may have contributed to it.

If I may digress - I recall playing on football fields where wet turf/dirt just packed my spikes and made everything more difficult and more dangerous for planting and cutting. That was then but now, especially in a domed stadium, there is no excuse for a substandard playing surface like that.

10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

He was on his knees to catch the ball with his weight like he was blocking a pitch in the dirt. Just because u see him standing there the short hop force him down to his knees with his toes also in the dirt. Kratz was a catcher he saw things differently. I trust him over you .

So you think the Sox aren't coaching him correctly? Interesting.

The truth is that Hahn drafted Crochet and Getz is reaping the benefits of the team being so bad and cheap that they would have never extended him anyways so Getz got to trade him for a haul.

32 minutes ago, Green Line said:

You basically said throw the past out and focus on the future, which doesnt make much sense for a White Sox fan

The past that was built by a different front office isn't exactly relevant. I understand it's still the same owner, but JR seems to be taking some cues from his current GM that he either didn't from the previous regime, or they talked him into the smoldering crater Getz had to dig his way out of.

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So you think the Sox aren't coaching him correctly? Interesting.

I think he was in a position where catching the ball was his 1st priority cant make a tag without the ball and he doesn't have an infielder glove so short hops arent easy.

38 minutes ago, Green Line said:

the sox need to make this playoffs this year before we start to talk about insane hypotheticals like 3-4 years in a row.

Considering that the full thought was that even if the Sox went to the playoffs multiple years in a row, if they didn't win it all, Liptak would still consider it all a failure, it's a highly appropriate hypothetical.

I always find it weird that we can't hypothesize about wild positive things, but it's perfectly fine to hypothesize about catastrophes there is no evidence they can happen.

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The truth is that Hahn drafted Crochet and Getz is reaping the benefits of the team being so bad and cheap that they would have never extended him anyways so Getz got to trade him for a haul.

Yea and your buddy said Hahn butchered his development and all of a sudden under, Getz,Bannister, the medical staff and the pitching coach before Bove he blossomed and stayed healthy yea keep talking and pretending the Getz regime had nothing to do with it when Crochet has praised all involved himself. Jesus what else do you need ? Without that trade the Sox were cooked. Crochet meant nothing to the rebuild at that point. That trade had to be made and oh look its working which you fought against it ever working with every minor roster move as if it was the end of the world and here you still are.

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50 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Last time we discussed this and you quoted various sources, there was very little medical evidence in it, There was talk from someone about playing shorthanded. That is roster decisions not medical.

Respectfully I disagree.

“Alan Thomas (Author’s Note: Thomas was the Director of Strength and Conditioning) was let go because his son was draft eligible and he was told the Sox no longer wanted to draft sons of members of the organization. Turns out his kid is playing center field for the Diamondbacks. I’m not saying he’d be playing center field for us but he’s good enough to be in the Major Leagues. I don’t know the new guy they brought in, but guys are getting hurt left and right.” (Author’s Note: I had heard Thomas disagreed with the results of the Sox injury study conducted last winter which was never released to the media or public. I was told he felt the Sox issues were only caused by the COVID restrictions. “The Sox play checkers where others teams play chess” when it comes to injury prevention, conditioning, nutrition, sleep schedules is a phrase I had heard mentioned.) 

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.)  

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.” 

“You know about Mike Reinold right? (Author’s Note: Reinold is the White Sox Senior Medical Advisor) He was fired by the Red Sox because he was injecting players with Toradol.” (Author’s Note: Bleacher Report had a story on this situation published in February 2013. Here is the link to that story: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance)  

“Given the inordinate amount of soft-tissue injuries they have had you’d think that they would do a complete change in the training, conditioning and nutritional areas.”

Over time if things change regarding this issue with the organization, I'll be happy to change my opinion. That evidence of change in my opinion hasn't happened yet.

6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Respectfully I disagree.

“Alan Thomas (Author’s Note: Thomas was the Director of Strength and Conditioning) was let go because his son was draft eligible and he was told the Sox no longer wanted to draft sons of members of the organization. Turns out his kid is playing center field for the Diamondbacks. I’m not saying he’d be playing center field for us but he’s good enough to be in the Major Leagues. I don’t know the new guy they brought in, but guys are getting hurt left and right.” (Author’s Note: I had heard Thomas disagreed with the results of the Sox injury study conducted last winter which was never released to the media or public. I was told he felt the Sox issues were only caused by the COVID restrictions. “The Sox play checkers where others teams play chess” when it comes to injury prevention, conditioning, nutrition, sleep schedules is a phrase I had heard mentioned.) 

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.)  

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.” 

“You know about Mike Reinold right? (Author’s Note: Reinold is the White Sox Senior Medical Advisor) He was fired by the Red Sox because he was injecting players with Toradol.” (Author’s Note: Bleacher Report had a story on this situation published in February 2013. Here is the link to that story: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance)  

“Given the inordinate amount of soft-tissue injuries they have had you’d think that they would do a complete change in the training, conditioning and nutritional areas.”

Over time if things change regarding this issue with the organization, I'll be happy to change my opinion. That evidence of change in my opinion hasn't happened yet.

This is mostly heresay . You're not talking to medical experts and if the Sox WERE behind who cares now ? Again youre talking about playing shorthanded. Those are roster decisions not medical.

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Considering that the full thought was that even if the Sox went to the playoffs multiple years in a row, if they didn't win it all, Liptak would still consider it all a failure, it's a highly appropriate hypothetical.

I always find it weird that we can't hypothesize about wild positive things, but it's perfectly fine to hypothesize about catastrophes there is no evidence they can happen.

Once again you are absolutely out of your mind, making asinine assumptions about what I'd do.

This is at least the third time you've done this and you even apologized once for it in a personal DM.

Let me repeat for the last f$%^&*( time, I'd LOVE for the Sox to make the playoffs, three, four, five years in a row.

I be THRILLED even if they didn't win s%*# because to me having a winning season and potentially making the post season makes that season a good one.

Are we clear now doofus? I'm really getting tired of your nonsense.

3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

This is mostly heresay . You're not talking to medical experts and if the Sox WERE behind who cares now ? Again youre talking about playing shorthanded. Those are roster decisions not medical.

So you know who my sources were for the story in November 2022?

Interesting.

3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

So you know who my sources were for the story in November 2022?

Interesting.

Which quote are you referencing ? Youre not telling me it was medical personel. Never saw you say that. Was any of this used in a court of law on malpractice cases ? Otherwise its useless in building any kind of case. Nameless sources giving irrelevant opinions.

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8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Respectfully I disagree.

“Alan Thomas (Author’s Note: Thomas was the Director of Strength and Conditioning) was let go because his son was draft eligible and he was told the Sox no longer wanted to draft sons of members of the organization. Turns out his kid is playing center field for the Diamondbacks. I’m not saying he’d be playing center field for us but he’s good enough to be in the Major Leagues. I don’t know the new guy they brought in, but guys are getting hurt left and right.” (Author’s Note: I had heard Thomas disagreed with the results of the Sox injury study conducted last winter which was never released to the media or public. I was told he felt the Sox issues were only caused by the COVID restrictions. “The Sox play checkers where others teams play chess” when it comes to injury prevention, conditioning, nutrition, sleep schedules is a phrase I had heard mentioned.) 

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.)  

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.” 

“You know about Mike Reinold right? (Author’s Note: Reinold is the White Sox Senior Medical Advisor) He was fired by the Red Sox because he was injecting players with Toradol.” (Author’s Note: Bleacher Report had a story on this situation published in February 2013. Here is the link to that story: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance)  

“Given the inordinate amount of soft-tissue injuries they have had you’d think that they would do a complete change in the training, conditioning and nutritional areas.”

Over time if things change regarding this issue with the organization, I'll be happy to change my opinion. That evidence of change in my opinion hasn't happened yet.

Every time you post this, I'm going to point out that Reinhold wasn't injecting players with a "controversial" substance. He was fired for administering shots when he wasn't authorized to. This was a common practice among trainers in the game, it seems.

Then, you're citing almost 20-year-old anecdotes about people who are no longer with the organization. It's silly to talk about the White Sox "historically" in this way. You see, historically, cars didn't exist. It would be ridiculous to then state that cars still don't exist because historically, they didn't.

You can "wait and see" all you want. I'd be more interested in hearing about changes in conditioning and medical that have happened in Getz's tenure than tired, 20-year-old grousing from a fired ex-employee. I agree that it seems the White Sox were way behind other teams in these areas. I doubt they're still doing the same things they did 20 years ago because history.

17 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Yea and your buddy said Hahn butchered his development and all of a sudden under, Getz,Bannister, the medical staff and the pitching coach before Bove he blossomed and stayed healthy yea keep talking and pretending the Getz regime had nothing to do with it when Crochet has praised all involved himself. Jesus what else do you need ? Without that trade the Sox were cooked. Crochet meant nothing to the rebuild at that point. That trade had to be made and oh look its working which you fought against it ever working with every minor roster move as if it was the end of the world and here you still are.

How’s that pitching development team “blossoming” lately?