53 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There's a lot going on with Schultz. Lots of changes being worked on etc. I think the org has failed him but regardless, a role shift is likely coming due to innings.

It feels like they made changes recently in an effort to improve command - it has come at a cost of "stuff" - but I also wonder if they view it as they can re-unlock that easier, so from a development perspective repeatability / command was priority. As a result, Noah's in the tough spot of actively working on mechanical and development changes at the big league level (as a young pitcher). I think the key is Sox have to manage his "psyche" well and I feel that is a very underrated area where Venable has excelled.

I keep reminding myself - Schultz is going to be a stud in the long-run - but in the short run there is more work to do and some of that is going to require a step back. That said, I'd love to see a game where he's just off the charts electric (we saw some of that when he first came up - where the stuff stood out - despite the challenges with command.

14 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

It feels like they made changes recently in an effort to improve command - it has come at a cost of "stuff" - but I also wonder if they view it as they can re-unlock that easier than not so repeatability / command was priority, but in meantime he's in the tough spot of actively working on mechanical and development changes at the big league level (as a young pitcher). I think the key is Sox have to manage his "psyche" well and I feel that is a very underrated area where Venable has excelled.

I keep reminding myself - Schultz is going to be a stud in the long-run - but in the short run there is more work to do and some of that is going to require a step back. That said, I'd love to see a game where he's just off the charts electric (we saw some of that when he first came up - where the stuff stood out - despite the challenges with command.

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

It's a great question. They've totally changed who Schultz is. He's throwing 6 pitches with a higher slot and he's got too many voices. I believe a simplification is coming.

27 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

Hot take - Sandlin has a higher ceiling than Schultz at this point.

28 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

I don't disagree with you on the short-term, he is clearly not in a good place and it can be very difficult to get that right at the big league level. On the long-term, I can't get out the past that even this year, he showed elite stuff (and has a track record of that at the minor league level). Right now this feels very much an issue with the pitching development side and they better figure this out. But I do think the elite tools are absolutely there.

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

24 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

Mason Adams has a 1.200 WHIP and 9 SO/9 on AAA. Wouldn't be shocked if we see him up.

25 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

Problem with that is Noah has no platoon advantage against LHP. Hate to agree with Ron but I think Adams or Sandlin gives us a better chance to win right now. Adams' velocity reports are good right? IMO it would be hard to be worse than Noah, although you never know.

If the Sox weren't in the hunt, the on-the-job training for Schultz wouldn't be a problem. I would send him down and bring up Urquidy for a start and see what happens.

IMO, it would make sense to use Schultz in the bullpen for the time being. If he could provide one or two scoreless innings in a relief role, that would be huge. Conversely, two scoreless inning to start a game followed by an implosion in the 3rd or 4th, is not valuable to the team. Also, maybe as a reliever, Schultz would let it all hang out, especially with his fastball.

16 hours ago, Falstaff said:

If the Sox weren't in the hunt, the on-the-job training for Schultz wouldn't be a problem. I would send him down and bring up Urquidy for a start and see what happens.

Agreed. If he's mechanically out of wack and needs to refine his pitches, he belongs in Charlotte where he can safely work on them and not impact the MLB team trying to win the division. Really seems like the Sox fumbled his development this year. Whatever changes he was told to make aren't working at this level. Kid needs a reset.

I'm certainly not giving up on him yet. For anyone really worried about him long term, take a look at Dylan Cease's 2020 Savant page - he can still turn it around and be a rotation arm in the future.

On 7/27/2026 at 12:43 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There's a lot going on with Schultz. Lots of changes being worked on etc. I think the org has failed him but regardless, a role shift is likely coming due to innings.

By you think they’ve failed him, do you mean like there’s no hope for him with the Sox, or do you mean failed him just up to this point? Do you think the simplification you mentioned will help things?

On 7/27/2026 at 11:43 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There's a lot going on with Schultz. Lots of changes being worked on etc. I think the org has failed him but regardless, a role shift is likely coming due to innings.

The organization has failed him? That is a rather provocative statement. Do you think Noah's father feels that way? Maybe ask Mr. Schultz to start with and then back up your outsized opinion with facts. Blaming an organization for failing in "player development" just points fingers in every direction other than at the player. Schultz has been given every opportunity. It is obvious that Noah has not been able to sustain control of his pitches or endurance beyond a few innings. What do you suggest the White Sox do with Schultz now? Develop him more in the Minors, use him as a starter or in the bullpen?

7 minutes ago, tray said:

The organization has failed him? That is a rather provocative statement. Do you think Noah's father feels that way? Maybe ask Mr. Schultz to start with and then back up your outsized opinion with facts. Blaming an organization for failing in "player development" just points fingers in every direction other than at the player. Schultz has been given every opportunity. It is obvious that Noah has not been able to sustain control of his pitches or endurance beyond a few innings. What do you suggest the White Sox do with Schultz now? Develop him more in the Minors, use him as a starter or in the bullpen?

Very plainly he was rushed to the majors as a starter. That is what is obvious.

7 minutes ago, tray said:

The organization has failed him? That is a rather provocative statement. Do you think Noah's father feels that way? Maybe ask Mr. Schultz to start with and then back up your outsized opinion with facts. Blaming an organization for failing in "player development" just points fingers in every direction other than at the player. Schultz has been given every opportunity. It is obvious that Noah has not been able to sustain control of his pitches or endurance beyond a few innings. What do you suggest the White Sox do with Schultz now? Develop him more in the Minors, use him as a starter or in the bullpen?

Plenty of facts…maybe try reading this

Noah Schultz is working on his slider, and embracing chal...

Noah Schultz has a 6.04 ERA heading into tonight’s game against Max Fried and the Yankees, which will take place exactly a week ahead of the Aug. 3 trade deadline, as the first place White Sox hunt st

Pump the brakes on Schultz failed or the Sox failed Schultz. It's a little early to come to conclusions on a prized pitching talent, all of 22 years old, making his rookie debut.

1 hour ago, Falstaff said:

Pump the brakes on Schultz failed or the Sox failed Schultz. It's a little early to come to conclusions on a prized pitching talent, all of 22 years old, making his rookie debut.

I think the "he wasn't ready" part was pretty clear, and was talked about by some ahead of his call up. I don't think most of us think he is dead yet.

2 hours ago, AntMan26 said:

By you think they’ve failed him, do you mean like there’s no hope for him with the Sox, or do you mean failed him just up to this point? Do you think the simplification you mentioned will help things?

2 hours ago, tray said:

The organization has failed him? That is a rather provocative statement. Do you think Noah's father feels that way? Maybe ask Mr. Schultz to start with and then back up your outsized opinion with facts. Blaming an organization for failing in "player development" just points fingers in every direction other than at the player. Schultz has been given every opportunity. It is obvious that Noah has not been able to sustain control of his pitches or endurance beyond a few innings. What do you suggest the White Sox do with Schultz now? Develop him more in the Minors, use him as a starter or in the bullpen?

The Fegan piece is great. Schultz has to be close to the innings limit, regardless. They've made lots of changes with him that seem unnecessary. There have been many pitching development issues this year. I don't know who is to blame necessary but none of Schultz, Smith, Taylor, McDougal or Oppor is currently starting every 5th day in the majors on a big league workload and I personally think that's an issue. Schultz likely goes to bullpen role after the deadline I'd think. You seem pretty confrontational for no reason though.

4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

The Fegan piece is great. Schultz has to be close to the innings limit, regardless. They've made lots of changes with him that seem unnecessary. There have been many pitching development issues this year. I don't know who is to blame necessary but none of Schultz, Smith, Taylor, McDougal or Oppor is currently starting every 5th day in the majors on a big league workload and I personally think that's an issue. Schultz likely goes to bullpen role after the deadline I'd think. You seem pretty confrontational for no reason though.

I said a couple of years ago that a great yardmarker of success would be how the trio of Taylor, Hagen, and Schultz ended up. So far, the needle isn't pointing up.

Even if Noah’s father feels that way, I doubt he would ever say it publicly as long as his son is with the Sox organization.

5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I think the "he wasn't ready" part was pretty clear, and was talked about by some ahead of his call up. I don't think most of us think he is dead yet.

With Schultz I think of Randy Johnson because they were both 6'10" LP. Randy has said that it took him years to figure it out, hopefully Schultz can put it together sooner.

Why are we talking about fathers? This thread got weird fast

1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Why are we talking about fathers? This thread got weird fast

It wasn't "weird" to mention Noah's father. He is a great guy and an even better dad who has been there with Noah all along his journey to the majors, and he has been a big part of it. The White Sox have given Noah every opportunity to develop into a professional baseball pitcher and a starter. Unfortunately, professional sports is a business and as such, business decisions have to be made. In Darwinian terms, it is the survival of the fittest. Don't point fingers at the organization. That's a cop out.