southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_s...?intid=38251122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Carlos really wants to beat these guys? The results are unbelievable. They show the Sox to be totally and completely intimidated by these guys. There is no "rivalry" here, just one team thoroughly annihilating the other on a regular basis. As far as Ozzie's remarks go, he has become ever so tiresome. How long is his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Grow a pair, Oz. Admit you f'ed up in that Burke situation. Pretty amazing how Torii Hunter even admits it gave his team the jump it needed. That would be guevos, Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Grow a pair, Oz. Admit you f'ed up in that Burke situation. Pretty amazing how Torii Hunter even admits it gave his team the jump it needed. That would be guevos, Ozzie. He f***ed up royally when he basically sided with Torii hunter after that collision! "I wish my team played like that blah blah blah." Way to have your team's back when they need you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I wish they played like that too, then we would be in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 He f***ed up royally when he basically sided with Torii hunter after that collision! "I wish my team played like that blah blah blah." Way to have your team's back when they need you. That killed this team. 25 of the 26 members of that clubhouse knew it was a cheap shot. The one that didn't is the one that calls the shots. A good manager knows what to do, to be very simple about it. Ozzie didn't. Because of that, he failed, and the team died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 That killed this team. 25 of the 26 members of that clubhouse knew it was a cheap shot. The one that didn't is the one that calls the shots. A good manager knows what to do, to be very simple about it. Ozzie didn't. Because of that, he failed, and the team died. Just to defend Ozzie...he may have been trying to keep the team from making excuses. Can't base your season on one play, cheap or not. Although, he should still have plunked Hunter next time up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 That killed this team. Yes it did. What really got me is the next night when the game was yet again out of hand. Oz brings in Thriller because he Jackson would not hit Marte. Ozzie was such a pussy he has lost me on most of his decisions ever since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 alright guys stop it....the hunter-burke incident didn't kill this team. The loss of their 2 top hitters for more than half the season did....i honestly never thought the sox would just completely collapse without mags and frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Haha, it said Roberto Alomar would like to come back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confederate_48 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Haha, it said Roberto Alomar would like to come back next year. Yeah he will come back around July next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 alright guys stop it....the hunter-burke incident didn't kill this team. The loss of their 2 top hitters for more than half the season did....i honestly never thought the sox would just completely collapse without mags and frank. The team was practically dead without Maggs and Frank...but you saw in September that this team can play without Frank and Maggs...not a 1st place team, in all likelyhood, but they can hang. I would say though that in technicality, you are correct..the Burke-Hunter incident did not kill the Sox. What killed them was not retaliating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 It was that play that typlifies the attitude of this team. Why have they lost for three years in a row? A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E. They have not one bit of confidence and swagger in tough situations. This team is not mentally tough at all. They're "good" individuals, but not a good "team". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Ozzie didn't say or do anything wrong about the Hunter/Burke incident. He said the play was hard nosed. When Ozzie made those comments he also said that if any of his players had a problem, they should 'do something about it.' That's like when you came home with a black eye crying as a kid and your Dad said 'well, are you gonna keep crying or are you gonna go do something about it?' If I'm a player, to me that is a challenge and the green light from my manager. I'm not waiting for him to directly TELL me to plunk Hunter, I'm plunking him regardless. Ozzie doesn't take the field, his players do. The Sox players punked out, Ozzie did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yeah he will come back around July next year Yup, right after we trade Sweeney and McCarthy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Ozzie didn't say or do anything wrong about the Hunter/Burke incident. He said the play was hard nosed. When Ozzie made those comments he also said that if any of his players had a problem, they should 'do something about it.' That's like when you came home with a black eye crying as a kid and your Dad said 'well, are you gonna keep crying or are you gonna go do something about it?' If I'm a player, to me that is a challenge and the green light from my manager. I'm not waiting for him to directly TELL me to plunk Hunter, I'm plunking him regardless. Ozzie doesn't take the field, his players do. The Sox players punked out, Ozzie did not. I agree completely. Your manager shouldn't have to tell you to drill someone if you think they did something cheap. If anyone should have "grown a pair", it was whoever was pitching the next time Hunter came to the plate. If these guys were waiting for marching orders instead of doing what they thought needed to be done, then THAT is more likely to be what "killed" the Sox this year. ...although I think the loss of the heart of the order, lack of a competitive #4 or 5 starter, stubborness of sticking with Koch as the closer, and the ever-present "Swing For The Fences" mentality were the main causes of this year's disappointment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Haha, it said Roberto Alomar would like to come back next year. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 :puke You are gonna be doing that alot because sign a one year deal. He will most likely come back because they are hoping for him to be the robbie alomar of old for cheap. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 wow i cant people actually believe one play is the reason we lost this division thats just about the biggest amount of bs i ever heard for a reason to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 wow i cant people actually believe one play is the reason we lost this division thats just about the biggest amount of bs i ever heard for a reason to lose I agree it is a tiny reason but nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 wow i cant people actually believe one play is the reason we lost this division thats just about the biggest amount of bs i ever heard for a reason to lose Even Hawk said it on TV. It meant a lot. Someone should have gotten in his face, but no one stepped up. Sox went downhill quickly. The game became too tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Even Hawk said it on TV. It meant a lot. Someone should have gotten in his face, but no one stepped up. Sox went downhill quickly. The game became too tough. Hawk and d.j. also think timo perez is an excellent player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 A good manager knows what to do, to be very simple about it. Ozzie didn't. Because of that, he failed, and the team died. C'mon. That didn't kill us. Losing teams point to one simple thing that cost us a season. How come the Yanquis didn't let the 17-0 loss to Cleveland kill them or the 20-4 loss to the Royals or whatever it was. Every LOSING team has moments they could point to as keys to losing. I mean there is something wrong with a team BESIDES the Hunter collision situation when Crede can blast a walk off homer to win a big exciting game and we tank after that. I respectfully disagree that one play in one game cost us the season. If it did, we are a joke of an organization and don't deserve to win anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I agree with the opinion that the players should have settled the score. That being said, when Jackson did not drill Hunter, Ozzie should have pulled him right then and there. And to hell with his 1000 appearances, he should have been released as well. He was more concerned with maintaining a friendship than with his teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Read what I said again. That play TYPLIFIES the ATTITUDE of this team. When the tough stretch hit, they rolled over like a bag of wet rosin out there. That would be three years in a row the same thing happened. Waaaaaaaaah, Frank and Maggs went down. Name me anyone on the Twins that match their production. Oh wait, they play as a team, not as individuals. They know how to win, play fundamental baseball, and have a swagger and a take no prisoners approach to the game so that they get in the playoffs every year. Don't get me wrong, people, the Sox can get there, but I think it will have to be with a different core then is here now. Interchange about 3-5 guys and you have a whole different attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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