Butter Parque Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 So far I've seen a lot of Magglio, PK, and Willie Harris. Its weird that we're talking so much about willie. Who else will we start talking about on a consistent basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 we should talk about Borchard and the all star year he is gonna have next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gene Honda Civic Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Why is it wierd that we're talking about the weakest offensive player on the team. A team that had a terrible record vs. LHP,(does anyone know where I can find that info?) with their lead-off guy batting .188/.224/.264 against lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 exactly, we're talking about the weakest hitte ron the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan14 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 my William Harris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Wow, like I've said, Harris is a piece of s***... Â Renteria, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Why is it wierd that we're talking about the weakest offensive player on the team. A team that had a terrible record vs. LHP,(does anyone know where I can find that info?) with their lead-off guy batting .188/.224/.264 against lefties. Press Pass Sox Media Notes (10/3) going into the last game of the season had:  Vs. RHP/LHP 63-53/20-25 Vs. RHS/LHS 61-44/21-35  Contreras beat Greinke RH that day so the LH numbers are still good. Not pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Press Pass Sox Media Notes (10/3) going into the last game of the season had: Vs. RHP/LHP 63-53/20-25 Vs. RHS/LHS 61-44/21-35  Contreras beat Greinke RH that day so the LH numbers are still good. Not pretty. Thanks TLAK, so we were 21-35 when a lefty started. Thats terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Let's talk about Willie. Â He sucks. Â I thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Thanks TLAK, so we were 21-35 when a lefty started. Thats terrible. The loss of the two big right handed guns really hurt them. Borchard for Maggs and mostly Everett for Thomas. Quite a drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 The loss of the two big right handed guns really hurt them. Borchard for Maggs and mostly Everett for Thomas. Quite a drop off. Yeah, Willie and Timo didn't help either. They often hit in the #2 spot vs. LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Heaven forbid Willie doesn't hit .300 with a .400 on base percentage in his first full season in the major leagues. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Heaven forbid Willie doesn't hit .300 with a .400 on base percentage in his first full season in the major leagues. :rolly  The player we should be talking about is Crede. According to Walker, they fixed that mechanical flaw in his swing. Now if he still isn't doing well next year, I suggest the sox look elsewhere. Ditto for Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Heaven forbid Willie doesn't hit .300 with a .400 on base percentage in his first full season in the major leagues. :rolly I don't think anyone on this board was expecting that. Â But a little consistancy would be nice. One night, five for five, ripping the ball, the next night, zero for five, looking like absolute garbage at the plate. Not to mention how poor he was on the basepaths (19 SB's from Willie Harris is not acceptable, IMO). Â That said, I do think that Ozzie handled him poorly this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 How do we know what Willie can do? Willie barely hit against lhp this year, only 72 abs (and he was much better in the 2nd half of the season). Even in his major league career he's only had something like 100-150 abs against lefties. Is that enough to evaluate him? Â Now, I have no idea if Willie has always had trouble w/ lefties. If in the minors he went .200/.250/.250 consistently, okay. Otherwise, I still don't think we know what we have in him. Â EDIT: And regarding the initial question, all signs are that we'll be talking about Vizquel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Â Â The player we should be talking about is Crede. According to Walker, they fixed that mechanical flaw in his swing. Now if he still isn't doing well next year, I suggest the sox look elsewhere. Ditto for Garland. I don't know what the FA market for third baseman is in the next off-season, but if Crede still struggles, the White Sox are going to be really annoyed to didn't sign a Koskie or even Mueller. But if we can sign Vizquel and move Uribe to 3rd possibly, that's of course if Willie can start to hit against LHP which I ain't gonna get my hopes up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Law Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Hey everybody. I'm a brand new member. My Dad was raised on the South Side, but moved North where I lived near Lane Tech/WGN. He always says he wants to see the Sox win it all before he dies. Now he's pushing 70 and I want that for him (us) bad. I live in Omaha now and was so excited to find a place where people are thinking about the Sox on a late October night just like me. It's like a disease. Â Too add my opinion here, over the winter we'll be talking mostly about Odalis Perez. KW wants him, as evidenced by his attempt last winter to pull off the Mags-Nomar-Perez deal that was scuppered when ARod to Boston died. I'd love to have him. He's young, had an ERA around 3 and should be undervalued based on his win total. Radke's in decline, we should steer clear. Â Realistically, Beltran and Pavano are too sexy for us. Our best hopes will come from young players that are non-tendered to avoid arbitration, as David Ortiz was two years ago. We really need pitching and depth. Crede has been just decent enough to mask that he's not reaching his potential. I like the idea of talking to Polanco. He has a lot of flexibilty. I think he's best served in a platoon role, but flexible players like him always come in handy. Philly won't want him w/Chase Utley around. Go Sox!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Hey! Welcome! Nice first post......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Welcome Aboard Rudy Law. :cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Too add my opinion here, over the winter we'll be talking mostly about Odalis Perez. Radke's in decline, we should steer clear. Perez did his part, his low win total should not effect him. It's not his fault the team couldn't score more. How do you get radke is on a decline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Weclome to SoxTalk Rudy Law! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Law Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Here's why I believe Radke's in decline.... Â Year Team INN GS W L K ERA WHIP 2004 MIN 219.7 34 11 8 143 3.482 1.161 2003 MIN 212.1 33 14 10 120 4.498 1.273 2002 MIN 118.1 21 9 5 62 4.725 1.219 2001 MIN 226.0 33 15 11 137 3.942 1.155 2000 MIN 226.2 34 12 16 141 4.456 1.379 1999 MIN 218.2 33 12 14 121 3.753 1.297 1998 MIN 213.2 32 12 14 146 4.306 1.318 1997 MIN 239.2 35 20 10 174 3.875 1.196 Â Since his incredible 97, he's had an ERA well above 4 in 4/7 years. Granted, he improved that by a full run this season from 2003. His BB rate is excellent, but he's 32 and experienced enough to have established a well defined ceiling. Â It's not neccesarily that he's in decline....it's that his statistics do not warrant the multi-year investment or perceived market value. He'd be a solid addition at 4-5m w/No.3 starter expectations. I'm cautious about paying for 1997. I wouldn't buy a Hanson or a Hootie CD, and I wouldn't buy Radke either. But that's just my opinion....I almost always wind up wrong. Thanks for the welcome, Sox fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Here's why I believe Radke's in decline.... Year Team INN GS W L K ERA WHIP 2004 MIN 219.7 34 11 8 143 3.482 1.161 2003 MIN 212.1 33 14 10 120 4.498 1.273 2002 MIN 118.1 21 9 5 62 4.725 1.219 2001 MIN 226.0 33 15 11 137 3.942 1.155 2000 MIN 226.2 34 12 16 141 4.456 1.379 1999 MIN 218.2 33 12 14 121 3.753 1.297 1998 MIN 213.2 32 12 14 146 4.306 1.318 1997 MIN 239.2 35 20 10 174 3.875 1.196  Since his incredible 97, he's had an ERA well above 4 in 4/7 years. Granted, he improved that by a full run this season from 2003. His BB rate is excellent, but he's 32 and experienced enough to have established a well defined ceiling.  It's not neccesarily that he's in decline....it's that his statistics do not warrant the multi-year investment or perceived market value. He'd be a solid addition at 4-5m w/No.3 starter expectations. I'm cautious about paying for 1997. I wouldn't buy a Hanson or a Hootie CD, and I wouldn't buy Radke either. But that's just my opinion....I almost always wind up wrong. Thanks for the welcome, Sox fans! Expect a 4.50 era next year or higher. It always happens to him after he has a good year, i don't feel next year is gonna be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Welcome aboard Rudy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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