October 30, 200421 yr I was hoping for a two year deal in the $6 mil range, but it sounds like there is plenty of interest in Omar, so I am not surprised. We need a number two hitter badly, this is a good deal for the Sox. PLus if he can rub anything off on Willie, this could be a huge shot in the arm.
October 30, 200421 yr Author I was hoping for a two year deal in the $6 mil range, but it sounds like there is plenty of interest in Omar, so I am not surprised. We need a number two hitter badly, this is a good deal for the Sox. PLus if he can rub anything off on Willie, this could be a huge shot in the arm. vizquel will leadoff. isnt rowand our 2 hitter?
October 30, 200421 yr $ 4 million dollars for a still great fielding SS and a great leader with a solid average/OPB, is a good deal. However, in the article, Gammons says "The White Sox have little money, and Ken Williams is starting at shortstop and trying to find a starter and an outfielder ... " I hope he is wrong about the money part, but I think after we get Visquel we will go after Dye or Hidalgo and a solid starter. I don't think this is raising payroll that much, but I don't know for a fact. I think Gammons just goes by what he thinks is "conventional wisdom" re: money and the sox. He looks at the Sox not signing Maggs and shopping Lee or PK for purely financial reasons. What he doesn't see is it's to get different type personnel instead.
October 30, 200421 yr vizquel will leadoff. isnt rowand our 2 hitter? Rowand is a horrible #2 hitter. He will either hit lead off or Willie will. Omar would be our #2 hitter, trust me.
October 30, 200421 yr $ 4 million dollars for a still great fielding SS and a great leader with a solid average/OPB, is a good deal. However, in the article, Gammons says "The White Sox have little money, and Ken Williams is starting at shortstop and trying to find a starter and an outfielder ... " I hope he is wrong about the money part, but I think after we get Visquel we will go after Dye or Hidalgo and a solid starter. I don't think this is raising payroll that much, but I don't know for a fact. His obp was good this year, no doubt, but I don't have much confidence that it'll continue (looking at the 3 years prior). But his fielding is overrated, his range has diminished quite a bit.
October 30, 200421 yr Come on over Omar. Vizquel is still a vaccume and will do the things he needs to do to get the runner over at the top of the lineup. Damn I hate Willie Harris.
October 30, 200421 yr Is Willie going to be the lineup every day?? I see Vizqeul at SS, and Uribe at 2b. I see Willie as the odd man out. If I had to guess, I would think that Uribe will play everyday, but will alternate between 3B, SS, 2B like he did last year. I would guess that we would see all four of the players (Crede, Omar, Uribe, Willie) each play about 120 games.
October 30, 200421 yr Rowand is a horrible #2 hitter. He will either hit lead off or Willie will. Omar would be our #2 hitter, trust me. Since when is a .326 AVG., .360 OBP. horrible? If Vizquel were to signed, the first two positions should be Vizquel/Rowand or Vizquel/Uribe, depending on matchups or who's the hot hand.
October 30, 200421 yr Since when is a .326 AVG., .360 OBP. horrible? If Vizquel were to signed, the first two positions should be Vizquel/Rowand or Vizquel/Uribe, depending on matchups or who's the hot hand. That isn't the problem. The fact that he can't bunt and he can't swing to hit the ball the other way is what makes him a horrible #2 hitter. If you can't move runners over, you shouldn't hit #2.
October 30, 200421 yr Since when is a .326 AVG., .360 OBP. horrible? If Vizquel were to signed, the first two positions should be Vizquel/Rowand or Vizquel/Uribe, depending on matchups or who's the hot hand. They both strike out a lot more than they walk, at least their ratio is worse than you'd like to get out of a #2 hitter. Willie's ratio is a little better, and he drew more pitches.
October 30, 200421 yr YESSS!! FINALLY! The guy I've wanted the Sox to get since last year might actually be coming to the Southside. He not only is a contact hitter, but you can't get much better defensively at short with Vizquel. WAAY TO GO KENNY! CWSOX45
October 30, 200421 yr vizquel will leadoff. isnt rowand our 2 hitter? Vizquel wants no part of leading off.
October 30, 200421 yr Then thats not what the WhiteSox have in mind if Vizquel is supposedly "very interested" in coming to the SouthSide. You got a link to where Omar said that BTW?? I know for a fact that Omar hates leading off....... that good enough?
October 30, 200421 yr Seems a bit pricy to me. I think we could(ve) got(get) cabrera for 3 yr 18 million.... I think that is much better quality, and id much rather have a 1 yr deal w/ vizquel. He had his best year since 2000 and that worries me since he might be just trying to make his last cash in before becoming a manager. Anyway, i dont really like this move but i still will be a vizquel fan if it goes through and hope he does well.........
October 30, 200421 yr Seems a bit pricy to me. I think we could(ve) got(get) cabrera for 3 yr 18 million.... I think that is much better quality, and id much rather have a 1 yr deal w/ vizquel. He had his best year since 2000 and that worries me since he might be just trying to make his last cash in before becoming a manager. Anyway, i dont really like this move but i still will be a vizquel fan if it goes through and hope he does well......... If you look closely at cabrera's stats he is not exactly too good and will command a couple more million per year than vizquel.
October 30, 200421 yr I have no problem with the money he is getting.... but just gotta make sure after these 2 years we have a long term solution waiting in the wings to replace him. but I still doubt this is a sure thing.... Gammons tends to be senile.
October 30, 200421 yr full article: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1912558 It's out of context. Its not us looking at Larkin as a utility man.
October 30, 200421 yr I may have missed this in the thread but, is it official yet or it is just speculation?
October 30, 200421 yr I may have missed this in the thread but, is it official yet or it is just speculation? Speculation. The sox are not actually suppose to be discussing money with another teams free agent yet.
October 30, 200421 yr Speculation. The sox are not actually suppose to be discussing money with another teams free agent yet. Yeah, true...
October 30, 200421 yr Interesante....I thought this happened, coming home...but then I realized you can't sign anyone yet... I'd be happy with this deal.
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