Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I think that if all of our trades fall through and the money isn't there, Woody Williams deserves a look from us. He's 38 but has postseason experience and is the type of veteran that you can depend on every 5th day. I think he will be around 2 years/12 million. I'm not saying this would be our #1 choice but I think he's an intriguing backup plan. Plus, he won't break the bank annually and won't require anything longer than 2 years. It is believed he is looking for more than a one year deal. Woody Williams as a 4-5th starter? Sounds good to me, how about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I think that if all of our trades fall through and the money isn't there, Woody Williams deserves a look from us. He's 38 but has postseason experience and is the type of veteran that you can depend on every 5th day. I think he will be around 2 years/12 million. I'm not saying this would be our #1 choice but I think he's an intriguing backup plan. Plus, he won't break the bank annually and won't require anything longer than 2 years. It is believed he is looking for more than a one year deal. Woody Williams as a 4-5th starter? Sounds good to me, how about you? He will make closer to 4 million next year than 2.5. Like you said he is not a bad fall back option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 Yeah I was saying 6 a year but that is pessimistic I hope. I don;t know if I believe that pitchers are "grinders" like everyone says about Buehrle but if you believe in that, Woody is a definite grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 I looked at Woody's splits and he pitched much better after April and that was because he had to have srping training in big league games. He did give up 20 homers though. However, a remarkable 10 were against the Reds and I have no idea what to make of that (over 37 innings). I think he's in line to win 14-17 with a 4.25 era and a 1.30 whip or thereabouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Extremely injury prone. I would avoid him. Plus there is the Dave Duncan factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 1 year, 2.5 millions with incentives up to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 I couldn't really agree with the injury prone. He;s been healthy and productive the last three years out of four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I couldn't really agree with the injury prone. He;s been healthy and productive the last three years out of four. In 2002 he only started 17 games, which is hardly healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 right but the other 3 years he's made over 30 starts. I would sotp short of saying he's automatic as far as health but injury=prone may be a harsh label. He's a 200 inning guy really. It would sort of be like calling John Smoltz injury prone. They have injuries and troubles but they still take the ball. Very much the gamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 right but the other 3 years he's made over 30 starts. I would sotp short of saying he's automatic as far as health but injury=prone may be a harsh label. He's a 200 inning guy really. It would sort of be like calling John Smoltz injury prone. They have injuries and troubles but they still take the ball. Very much the gamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I looked at Woody's splits and he pitched much better after April and that was because he had to have srping training in big league games. He did give up 20 homers though. However, a remarkable 10 were against the Reds and I have no idea what to make of that (over 37 innings). I think he's in line to win 14-17 with a 4.25 era and a 1.30 whip or thereabouts. That's because the Reds have an AL type lineup with all those thumpers. That doesn't bode well for Woody, especially in the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoIL Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I'd pass on Williams. I think he's probably on the downslope. Down here in Cardinal counrty most of my Card fan friends are down on him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I think that if all of our trades fall through and the money isn't there, Woody Williams deserves a look from us. He's 38 but has postseason experience and is the type of veteran that you can depend on every 5th day. I think he will be around 2 years/12 million. I'm not saying this would be our #1 choice but I think he's an intriguing backup plan. Plus, he won't break the bank annually and won't require anything longer than 2 years. It is believed he is looking for more than a one year deal. Woody Williams as a 4-5th starter? Sounds good to me, how about you? once again, there is no reason to sign a 5th starter at 4 million dollars a year, when we dont even reallyhave a top of the rotation starter. Signing pitchers just to sign them is a move only done by teams who have money to burn, which we dont. If you are going to spend money, you need to sign a difference maker...bad idea and will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 If Woody is the best pitcher left out there, then so be it, but I'm not too enthused about seeing him here unless it's for a cheap amount of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Insisting he will pitch somewhere next season, Woody Williams filed for free agency Thursday after the Cardinals decided to exercise a $900,000 buyout rather than assume his $8 million option for 2005. Williams, 38, said he is "definitely interested" in returning for a fifth season to the Cardinals and remained in the dark about the team's plans for its rotation. "It's where I've been the last three-plus years," Williams said Thursday night. "My family has enjoyed it there. That's important. But I guess they've got to do what they've got to do." http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...+Woody+Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 I couldn't really agree with the injury prone. He;s been healthy and productive the last three years out of four. Oh, he is very injury prone, he is one of those guys, that here "always is soemthing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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