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I agree that Garcia was not on that level, but our team was more dangerous then that it is at this point. Plus, you have to consider what Garcia did once he was here. Is Peavy a top 5 pitcher in the big boy league and going from the best pitchers park to the top 2-3 hitters park? He might still be, but that is a legitimate question

I'd say the Freddy Garcia deal was slightly bigger. Peavy has had a better career than Garcia at the points of the deals, but our team was in better shape when we got Garcia. Both though were the crown jewels of the market when dealt (should it happen) and both were actually traded far in advance of the July deadline. I'm in favor of the deal provided we don't trade Flowers or Beckham. I want Flowers to be our catcher (or 1b-DH) in 2010. I just hope this deal isn't an indication that Kenny is changing strategies, rather that this is a part of our current youth movement.

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Detroits old players were better than our old players last year. I do agree with you that there is a chance that Detroit is overrated if Sheffield continues his decline and Renteria stumbles back in the AL. That said, they have the best young hitter in the game now so I think the offense will be fine. I think that many in this thread would feel the the same way I do: we are philosophically opposed to how the WHite Sox construct a team. They do it on the corners and not up the middle. They do it with a win now mentality with a budget that does not match. The drafts have been conservative because JR got burned by Joe Borchard and won't go above slot to piss off his pal Bud again.

I think Anderson is an outstanding center fielder so I think he certainly has appeal to some. Clearly he'll never be anythign special with the bat but I'd have to think he could at least be close to average at some point. I think a team with a huge outfield (Colorado,San Fran) would do well to have a guy who can cover ground like Brian. I think he;'d be a perfect Giant. I just can't imagine getting back Cain for Crede and Anderson. Hell I don't think you'd get Cain for Fields and Anderson. The Giants are dumb but not THAT dumb. I think they'd deal Lowry but I think we all realize his tightrope act wouldn't play in the AL

The Twins needed a bat in a Santana deal, they just need to hope they picked the right one. I still like their staff a lot this year because Bonser and Baker are both above average to me and I think Liriano, well, who knows? As far as Nathan goes I bet they keep him. They just signed Morneau and Cuddyer and probably don't want to wave any white flags beyond the Johan deal. I think they move Nathan in July when there is more of a market for closers. Decent deal for the Twins, excellent move by Omar Minaya for swinging the balance in the NL. Plus in WS play this is huge. THe Rockies ran out a bunch of 4th starters against the Sawx. The Mets can have big confidence sending a Johan/Pedro punch against the big boys in the AL

I trust a guy like Peavy more than Joba because they've shown they can handle the 180 innings ML starters load. Peavy has some people skittish because he throws across his body a bit but he's been very healthy in his career. Oswalt makes some nervous due to his size. Johan has had the bone chips. You could go on and on but in general health is a shown skill and if they haven't gotten hurt in 3-5 years of starters loads at the big league level then I think you start to get past the poitn of worrying as long as they aren't used up too early like Steve Avery

I liked Miguel but catching prospects are about as reliable as pitching prospects which is to say they are not. I.E. Jeff Mathis. If you hit it with a Russ Martin or a Joe Mauer then count your stars

Yeah he is very good despite the WHIP and Rick Peterson has been wrong about him to this point. That said, I wouldn't want to be the team investing 5 years 90 million in him. I don't believe his health will hold up. Generally I wouldn't make the bet about a lot of pitchers except for the Jake Peavy's of the world.

30 hr is hard. I'd be surprised if Fields hit that many. Second go around the league......

I think this furthers the need to re-sign Freddy Garcia on a rehab deal. We need that insurance given our lack of depth now.

Can we cool it with the Grinder talk? It has nothing to do with winning baseball games

Well I think there is a Death valley between Swisher and Miggy Cabrera in terms of who they are. Cabrera is 3 years younger and is a far better hitter. That said, most people shouldn't hammer Kenny for not getting Cabrera because he couldn't get cabrera. They didn't want the White Sox Pu Pu platter.

I;m not saying that this has anything to do with steroids but it was disappointing that Swisher's HR's turned to doubles last year. He has 13 fewer bombs and 12 more doubles than 06

I don;t know about Ocab leading off. 2 years ago he had a 309 obp which even Juan Pierre would be ashamed of. If 345 is the obp ceiling then I think you don't want him that high

I have two things to add although they are more just FYI and probably shouldn't affect whether the trade was good for us or not but as fans you probably want to know these things: 1. THere were strong whispers about Swisher's body a few years ago. Take that for what its worth. 2. I do know that one baseball expert was asked off the record who the biggest asshole is in the major leagues and he said Nick Swisher. Hope he's at soxfest!

So much for rebuilding the farm system. I hate this deal. I do like the addition of an on base guy but we get another guy good for 150 K's. Kenny just did this deal to "do something" before soxfest

I would much rather take a look at Colon and Garcia. Thier success is a bit more recent than Prior's plus we know them better as we have the same staffs that worked with them before. One or both of them would be great buy low pickups

Honel did not have great work ethic. That was his problem as much or more than the injuries.

I would feel much better about bringing back Freddy Garcia and then using FLoyd as the #5 until the summer when Garcia may be ready. If Floyd is pitching well, then we would have a surplus of starters and if not then we have a guy we know how to work with as well as a potential trading chip. I don't feel Garcia will end up signing a long term deal unless its of the recent Mark Mulder variety that is heavily tied to incentives. I think this deal would be win-win for the Sox and Freddy as he tries to reestablish his value before taking another shot at free agency

I seem to remember Danks being one of those guys who needs a 2nd year to adjust positively at each level. So hopefully there will be good things in store for him this year. I think he could post a 4.40 ERA or so and that would be encouraging at this stage of his development. I'd like to see his K/BB improve a bit more this year. In general, I like Danks. As for Floyd, if he didn't have that top 5 pedigree he wouldn't be in the big leagues. His WHIP's have been atrocious in the bigs and not really good in the minors either. He struggled in the little boy league and I don't think he can handle the AL lineups either

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 10:27 PM) Is that code for inexpensive players or a slogan like 'we may not have the names, but we'll outwork you'. At this point I'm leery of any spin they put out there. No offense to some around here, but many overbought into the "grinder" garbage that came out in 06 and 07. I wonder if they will go back to that well once more

I like good prospects, our ones at the big league level just seem ok because the rest of ours are so awful. For $5.50 a beer and a fairly packed house most nights the Sox need to either give us free agents or spend money to get the best draft picks possible. Why we pay $20 to park our F'n cars and then pass on Rich Porcello in the draft is beyond me

I take it that's our new emphasis on working counts and getting on base? Otherwise the whole Juan Uribe era has been puuzzling

I'd take Bonds at this point (seeing your sig there). I think he'd be more valuable in 08 than Rowand-dollar for dollar. Plus I'd like to find ways for this team to get even older. Maybe Roberto Hernandez can help our pen?