Hermanson 2005 2.0 million, 2006 3.0 million, 2007 3.5 million or .5 buyout so two years at 5.5 guaranteed

 

 

Schowenweis 2005 2.5 million, 2006 2.75 million. total 5.25

 

 

This may be interesting to compare as the year moves forward. I'm a little surprised Schowenweis got that much guaranteed due to his elbow trouble. He is supposed to be a left handed specialist which he would have been unhappy doing here last year.

Hermanson 2005 2.0 million,    2006 3.0 million,  2007 3.5 million or .5 buyout so two years at 5.5 guaranteed

Schowenweis 2005  2.5 million,  2006  2.75 million.  total 5.25

This may be interesting to compare as the year moves forward.  I'm a little surprised Schowenweis got that much guaranteed due to his elbow trouble.  He is supposed to be a left handed specialist which he would have been unhappy doing here last year.

Hermy by a landslide.

Hermanson... easy.

 

Show is ok but his attitude isn't all that great.

Schowenweis will end up in their rotation and probally do alright for a while. Then his arm will just die on him and he will get rocked. He does not have the strength to last a full season as a starter. If hermanson had to, he could.

Shoeneweis -- He's got the stuff to be a very effective LOOGY. Plus, last year he showed that, when healthy, he can be good in the rotation too.

Hermanson. He might just beat out Garland for the 5th

When SS was healthy and in the rotation, he was an effective pitcher. He tried to pitch through and shot all his stats to hell. Since then, he has been labeled as a s***ty, fragile pitcher. A lot of pitchers have arm problems from time to time. I think this assessment of SS unfair and inaccurate.

 

Given the choice between SS or DH. I'd take SS.

Hermanson. SS put himself before the team.

Hermanson for me.

Hermanson no question.

Hermanson. SS put himself before the team.

 

I agree 100%. Plus Hermanson may have influenced the AJ signing!

i just think between both of them i'd prefer hermy at 5.5 with a healthy arm instead of SS at 5.25 with a uncertain arm.....but i think both talent wise are the same.

I don't think there's any doubt Shoe would have the better stuff than Hermanson. The problem is SS is that he has no definitive role on what he'll be doing in Toronto. He wants to be a starter, but doesn't have the arm strength to go 7 or 8 innings each outing, and he won't last a full season. And he doesn't want to pitch in the bullpen. He could be an effective spot starter for a team though, but I'm not sure he'll appreciate that role either.

 

Hermanson hasn't been effective as a starter much in his career but he did have experience closing last season, and that's what made him valuable in KW's eyes, he doesn't want Marte closing if Shingo doesn't produce in 2005. I'll be interested to see what his splits are this season, and how much of a disadvantage it is for him to pitch at the Cell instead of SBC Field.

Hermanson.  He might just beat out Garland for the 5th

 

That was a joke?

Hermanson off course. I did not like shoe when he did not want to go back to the bullpen.

Hermanson.

 

Scott can take his pissy attitude and asshole agent to Canada.

 

Hermanson reportedly wasn't going to sign anywhere unless he was the closer or a starter, and he suggested to KW to sign AJ.

If you get a chance check out the win share thread. Hermie's #'s as a starter are better than both Garland's & Schow's. He spent 1/2 of last yr as a SP for the Brew crew.

 

I know a lot of you liked Kline, but when you consider the possibility of Garland sucking & El-Duque being shelved this was arguably KW's best signing of the off-season. He's a really versatile player. He's insurance vs Shingo at closer, El-Duque as a starter, & a very dependable relief pitcher.

If you get a chance check out the win share thread.  Hermie's #'s as a starter are better than both Garland's & Schow's.  He spent 1/2 of last yr as a  SP for the Brew crew.

No they're not -- He played for the Giants, and Garland is better.

 

Hermanson as a starter in 2004 -- 4.58ERA where the league average would be expected to be 4.44 -- 97 ERA+

Garland as a starter in 2004 -- 4.82ERA where the league average would be expected to be 4.89 -- 101 ERA+

 

Garland IP/start = 6.57

Hermanson IP/start = 5.78

My mistake. It's getting late. Those stats are meaningless.

Look at the starts themselves.

 

JonG 04: 0R 0, 1R 6, 2R 6, 3R 3, 4R 9, 5R 3, 6R 5, 7R 1, 10R 1

DusH 04: 0R 0, 1R 4, 2R 4, 3R 2, 4R 3, 5R 3, 6R 2

 

JonG 34 starts. DusH 18 starts so for sake of argument double DusH's numbers.

DusH 04: 0R 0, 1R 8, 2R 8, 3R 4, 4R 6, 5R 6, 6R 4

Still better than Judy's.

 

Do you honestly believe Garland would have had a better IP/start if Dustin had had 34 starts?

Hermanson's numbers as a starter in June the July, the last months he was one before becoming the closer;

 

June - 5.05 ERA, 5 HR's in 6 games, .271 BAA

July - 4.80 ERA, 4 HR's in 5 games, .269 BAA.

My stats, which are corrected for Park factors and League, are meaningless? Yet you butcher the f*** out of wins shares all day.. Inexplicably chop up the season into month increments, and all together just pull s*** out your ass throw it up on the wall and call it a stat -- I guess you are just tired.

Did you really want to go there? JonudyG 04:

June 6.82ERA, 7HR, 5GS, 229BA

Aug 6.14ERA, 12HR, 6GS, 297BA

Jonudy's Sep wasn't much better.

My stats, which are corrected for Park factors and League, are meaningless?  Yet you butcher the f*** out of wins shares all day.. Inexplicably chop up the season into month increments, and all together just pull s*** out your ass throw it up on the wall and call it a stat -- I guess you are just tired.

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Hey just because you don't understand that a starter's value is equal to runs surrendered per start (quality vs poor starts) is no reason to get upset. Yes Jon pitches in the much tougher AL & at the Cell. Ok, I'll grant you that. It's as good a reason to explain his mediocrity as anything else.

Did you really want to go there?  JonudyG 04:

June  6.82ERA, 7HR, 5GS,  229BA

Aug     6.14ERA, 12HR, 6GS,  297BA

Jonudy's Sep wasn't much better.

Garland in May and July.

May - 3-1, 3.51 ERA

July - 2-2, 3.92 ERA.

 

Doesn't it say something that Hermanson wasn't a starter in 2002 or 2003, and when he forced to be the 5th starter in San Fran, he was moved out of the role by the end of the season.

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Garland in May and July.

May - 3-1, 3.51 ERA

July - 2-2, 3.92 ERA.

 

Doesn't it say something that Hermanson wasn't a starter in 2002 or 2003, and when he forced to be the 5th starter in San Fran, he was moved out of the role by the end of the season.

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Does it say that Matt Herges was a really s***ty closer?

 

Seriously tho, who gives a s*** JUGGERNAUT? Hermanson isn't starting next year for us even if he may be a better starting pitcher than Garland (something I don't agree with.)