Balta1701 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 28, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) Of course. I meant at least until Frank is back. Well, unfortunately for Ross (and hopefully...fortunately for our lineup)...according to KW that won't be for more than a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Budget might be streched but they are aware of the excitement being brought into the park. This isn't like year past, I think they have a big move in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 28, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) It's going to cost B-Mac AND Anderson to get Huff, don't worry about that. He is not that good and i love the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(drowninginflame @ May 28, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) This isn't like year past, I think they have a big move in the works. Getting the biggest SP on the trade market doesn't do it for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 i have been hearing lots of rumors not around soxtalk of a crede and bmac for chavez trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ May 28, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Sweeney has a no-trade clause in his contract. I can't see him agreeing to go play for another team in KC's division. The Dodgers and Angels have long been rumored as the most likely place that he would get traded to. he'd agree to it, because the White Sox are winning right now, and all Sweeney wants to do now is win. if they hadn't won 83 games in 2002, he'd have left as a free agent by now, cause he had some clause in his contract saying if the Royals didn't have a +.500 season he could leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 we wont get sweeney, i forsee huff or chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 28, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) we wont get sweeney, i forsee huff or chavez keep drinking the kool-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 I don't care who come to the sox as long as they fill in some holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly8509CWS Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(drowninginflame @ May 28, 2005 -> 02:56 PM) I don't care who come to the sox as long as they fill in some holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Huff would be great, but if it's goin take BMac and Anderson to get him then no way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 28, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) we wont get sweeney, i forsee huff or chavez What else do you foresee, Mr Williams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 (edited) Chavez makes some sense, but the cost is pretty steep. Not only B-Mac, but a monstrous monetary committment. If we can get him without dealing McCarthy and maybe have Oakland eat some cash it sounds like a very good move though. If Paulie's going to get around $10 mil a year, I'd rather have Chavez for that money. Chavez is not going to struggle forever. First off, moving from their horrendous lineup (Jason Kendall bats #3!) to ours where he can bat in front of/behind/in between Frank and Konerko will give him some better pitches to hit. Second, he's typically a much better second half player. In the last 3 years, his numbers before the break are .263/.348/.504, after the break they are .293/.379/.516. Aubrey Huff would be nice too (he has a similar improvement to Chavez after the break, .286/.349/.480 to .327/.378/.566), but I don't think he's quit as good a fit. He's not a very good fielder at 3B, which is where most of us would like to put him. He has 38 errors in 219 career games at 3rd, which is roughly on par with Jose "porn stache" Valentin. Yes, we could put him in right, but we already have Dye stuck out there with Everett probably playing a few out there. Huff is an everyday starter, making them useless. On the plus side though, he'll come cheaper in both areas. I wouldn't complain if either of these guys ended up on the southside, but I'd like to keep B-Mac in either deal, and Anderson if it's Huff. Edited May 29, 2005 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 Honestly I think we should keep most of this team together without any major trades....maybe a few minor ones like Joe Randa or something like that but nothing big. My reasoning is because i predict a big f/a this offseason. In my opinion Anderson and B-Mac will both be on our major league team this next season so. Of our starters I see Contreras getting traded, than since rumors have it we wont resign Frank, Dye would be our DH. Also Everett, Konerko, Timo, Davis, as said b4 Frank, and Shingo all come off the books. Thats a lot of money and our only big hole to fill would be 1B and a course id hope we look into resigning Garland and Pieryznski. But with all that we would have 32.5 million to work with... now im not sure but i heard somewhere we might have to pay Frank 3 so thats down to 29.5 but still a lot. Not to mention if attendence is up JR might up the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 28, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) What else do you foresee, Mr Williams? i foresee a double header Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 Chavez has twice as many errors as Crede so far and is having an even worse year at the plate. Having said that, I'd trade Crede for him in a heartbeat. Unless Chavez was heavy into 'roids, I doubt he will struggle like this forever. But I wouldn't overpay for him either. We've still got the best record in baseball with Crede as our starting third baseman. If Oakland wants to dump Chavez' big contract in exchange for a good fielding third baseman with some home run pop who is relatively cheap, I would make the trade Crede for Chavez even up. If they want Crede and McCarthy, they can take a hike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 28, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) I would make the trade Crede for Chavez even up. If they want Crede and McCarthy, they can take a hike. I'm sorry, I had to laugh out loud at that first part. Chavez is a proven gold glover and 30 HR hitter. Crede hasn't done anything of note. At worst, he is a defensive upgrade over Crede, at best he is our #3 hitter. While I'm not a fan of trading B-Mac or taking on all of his contract, he'd certainly be a major upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) I'm sorry, I had to laugh out loud at that first part. Chavez is a proven gold glover and 30 HR hitter. Crede hasn't done anything of note. At worst, he is a defensive upgrade over Crede, at best he is our #3 hitter. While I'm not a fan of trading B-Mac or taking on all of his contract, he'd certainly be a major upgrade. i wouldnt mind given up bmac, we have young pitchers in garcia buehrle and garland, so im not worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) I'm sorry, I had to laugh out loud at that first part. Chavez is a proven gold glover and 30 HR hitter. Crede hasn't done anything of note. At worst, he is a defensive upgrade over Crede, at best he is our #3 hitter. While I'm not a fan of trading B-Mac or taking on all of his contract, he'd certainly be a major upgrade. Oh, I agree. I'd take him in a heartbeat over Crede. But no way would I give them Crede and McCarthy. We shouldn't be that desperate. If the A's need to free up that money from Chavez' massive contract they can have Crede. That's a no brainer. But they can't have a cheap, young, decent fielding third baseman with 20 homer power plus our best starting pitcher prospect. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) Oh, I agree. I'd take him in a heartbeat over Crede. But no way would I give them Crede and McCarthy. We shouldn't be that desperate. If the A's need to free up that money from Chavez' massive contract they can have Crede. That's a no brainer. But they can't have a cheap, young, decent fielding third baseman with 20 homer power plus our best starting pitcher prospect. No way. they could, but id guess id rather substitute someone like sweeney or anderson with crede for chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 not only would it take Crede and B-Mac... it would probably take another prospect too, we are talking about a gold glove all star 3B here people..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:28 PM) not only would it take Crede and B-Mac... it would probably take another prospect too, we are talking about a gold glove all star 3B here people..... timo perez :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) they could, but id guess id rather substitute someone like sweeney or anderson with crede for chavez That sound a little more reasonable. But before making a trade for Chavez, I would hope they would make certain there is nothing wrong with him. Not only is he struggling at the plate, but the Gold Glover already has something like nine errors this season. I never thought he was a suspect for 'roids, but some people have suggested this and you never know. As I said, having the best record in baseball should mean that we don't have to be desperate. If Oakland needs to unload that contract and we can give them Crede plus some mid-level prospect I would jump on it. McCarthy should be untouchable at this point. Anderson or Sweeney maybe, but then you better be pretty darn sure you're getting the old Chavez in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 chavez is surrounded by absolutely no talent and thats why hes struggling, if we get him we will draw a much bigger crowd and improve our defense, his bat isnt as bad as crede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:37 PM) chavez is surrounded by absolutely no talent and thats why hes struggling, if we get him we will draw a much bigger crowd and improve our defense, his bat isnt as bad as crede Yes, we call this the Orlando Cabrera effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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