brijames Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 If you have followed the ChiSox for 30 plus years you know when they are done, and this team is done! This was a huge game tonight and the Sox played it just as they have played for the last month, terribly. I expect a lot of finger pointing in that clubhouse and the Media is gonna be all over this collapse. I expect the Indians to win big tom night and then probably win another close one Wed for the sweep. With 13 left after tonight I will be shocked if the Sox win more than 5 of them. It's quite sad but thats White Sox baseball for as long as I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Come and ride the obvious train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 This was the one game in the series that CLE had the pitching matchup in their favor. We beat those odds but then Oz managed us right out of the win. This team is NOT cooked. Tue and Wed will go our way. book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 chu chu. October Destination: watching the Indians in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) This was the one game in the series that CLE had the pitching matchup in their favor. We beat those odds but then Oz managed us right out of the win. This team is NOT cooked. Tue and Wed will go our way. book it. I f***ING LOVE HOW MARTE DUMPS ALL OVER THIS CLUB, AND THEN GETS PUT INTO SERIOUS f***ING SITUATIONS THAT MEAN THE f***ING WORLD TO EVERYONE BUT HIM. GIVE ME COTTS, POLITTE, HERMY, VIZ, OR JENKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT INNING AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM. WHAT IS OZZIE'S PROBLEM?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I don't really see Westbrook/Buehrle as in our favor the way Mark has been going lately, maybe a tossup at best. Mark has almost no reputation as a "big game pitcher" so he better earn his pay and sit 'em the f*** down tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) Partially thanks to freddy for giving up 4 runs in the first 5 innings too. Edited September 20, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) This was the one game in the series that CLE had the pitching matchup in their favor. We beat those odds but then Oz managed us right out of the win. This team is NOT cooked. Tue and Wed will go our way. book it. I'd like our chances a lot better if we could get rid of the person who managed us out of the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 How will all you Sox fans be spending your October? Seeing how there will be no playoff baseball on the South Side yet again and probally not for the next 5 years because this Indians team will dominate the AL central for that long maybe longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:55 AM) How will all you Sox fans be spending your October? Seeing how there will be no playoff baseball on the South Side yet again and probally not for the next 5 years because this Indians team will dominate the AL central for that long maybe longer. Like I have recent Octobers.....hoping for the best for the Sox offseason, and getting ready for college basketball season. I think we can all agree that this isn't the team of destiny that many felt it was, and that if they miss the playoffs, we'll get over it. I'm on the record saying we'll have a better Sox team in the next 5 years. By better, I mean a team with a better chance to win the World Series. This team simply has too little offense, and an awful manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) I'd like our chances a lot better if we could get rid of the person who managed us out of the win. " Garcia, with one win in his last nine starts, lasted 6 1-3 innings, giving up seven hits and four runs." That is a waste of money for the next 5 years. Edited September 20, 2005 by wallyburger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) I have to say, to blame Guillen is typical 'the sky if falling', I'm a fan who thinks he/she knows everything BS. Guillen makes situational choices all the time, he got that from Jack McKeon...it's a strategic method of management, it's not complicated, but if the pitchers produce, it SHOULD work just fine. Guillen put in the right pitchers for the right situations and THEY failed, the pitchers. Jenks failing against Boone is something I never saw happening, and neither did you, to claim you did makes you sound stupid. 90 wins, 2.5 game lead, playing .605 on the season, still probably going to the playoffs...and your crying. Hell, I'd take 90+ wins EVERY year even if it meant missing the playoffs. I got a team 5 miles north I think you should cheer for. Fans like you are more fitting for them. Edited September 20, 2005 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Good post. Half of you sniveling babies sound like Cub fans. Listen (read) to yourselves. This stretch sucks, no doubt about it. I, for one, am pulling for them to pull through and not chanting "chokers, losers, collapse!!!". What horses***. In retrospect, come October 3, we might have indeed choked. But we need to give them our support until they REALLY DO choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro1983hat Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Take 90 wins and miss the playoffs!!!!! That's really what you want? The goal is to WIN THE WORLD SERIES! Only one team is successful at the end of the year. We should hold THIS team and all Chicago teams to a higher standard. Now you are sounding like a Cub fan, hoping for moderate success. Anything short of a championship is a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(wallyburger @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 06:53 AM) " Garcia, with one win in his last nine starts, lasted 6 1-3 innings, giving up seven hits and four runs." That is a waste of money for the next 5 years. You mean 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(Y2HH @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) 90 wins, 2.5 game lead, playing .605 on the season, still probably going to the playoffs...and your crying. Hell, I'd take 90+ wins EVERY year even if it meant missing the playoffs. I got a team 5 miles north I think you should cheer for. Fans like you are more fitting for them. The Cubs don't have to worry about fan backlash and lackluser attendance the following season if they had a collapse like the Sox are having. One of the biggest negatives of a Sox collapse is that attendance would likely decrease next year. Now, I wouldn't care about attendance if it didn't have a direct impact on the team's payroll. But since it does, that's a big concern for future seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Yay, let's not be angry! Rejoice in that fact that we had a huge lead, revel in the glory that is the history of the Chicago White Sox, and embrace the upcoming chokejob with glee, lest you be a Cub fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) I f***ING LOVE HOW MARTE DUMPS ALL OVER THIS CLUB, AND THEN GETS PUT INTO SERIOUS f***ING SITUATIONS THAT MEAN THE f***ING WORLD TO EVERYONE BUT HIM. GIVE ME COTTS, POLITTE, HERMY, VIZ, OR JENKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT INNING AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM. WHAT IS OZZIE'S PROBLEM?? Ozzie's problem is that as a baseball manager he is intellectually challenged. He compounds the problem by playing favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(farmteam @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) You mean 2 years? I stand corected. 3 year contract for $27 million/ $8 mill this year. So far that is $650,000+ per victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 10:05 AM) Ozzie's problem is that as a baseball manager he is intellectually challenged. He compounds the problem by playing favorites. If you are looking for an argument, you will need to change the subject. Great moniker from a great novel. Catch 22 is a favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Until they're eliminated, the Sox are IN. I don't think Cleveland could have played a much better game than they did last night and they still barely beat us and Ozzie pretty much handed them the game. Sorry, but I still don't fear this Indians team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) Until they're eliminated, the Sox are IN. I don't think Cleveland could have played a much better game than they did last night and they still barely beat us and Ozzie pretty much handed them the game. Sorry, but I still don't fear this Indians team. Casey Blake dropped a flyball, which lead to a big inning. The Indians also had massive warning track power last night, as they could have easily been up 5-0 in the 2nd inning. I bet the Indians fans are saying how great of a comeback the Sox made last night, and it still wasn't good enough to beat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Next time Ozzie starts running out to the mound every batter to get a lefty/lefty or righty/right match-up, you may want to look at the stats of the 5 pitchers he does this for most often: Politte .159 against LH .175 against RH Jenks .089 against LH .273 against RH Cotts .215 against LH .127 against RH Marte .256 against LH .235 against RH Vizcaino .311 against LH .235 against RH Except for Vizcaino all the other guys actually have more success against the guys they are being lifted for than the guys they are going in the game to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 It's amazing that 149 games into the season, Ozzie still has no feel for which pitchers should be in to face which batters. Cotts has some of the best numbers I've ever seen from a lefty in regards to facing righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 09:17 AM) Casey Blake dropped a flyball, which lead to a big inning. The Indians also had massive warning track power last night, as they could have easily been up 5-0 in the 2nd inning. I bet the Indians fans are saying how great of a comeback the Sox made last night, and it still wasn't good enough to beat them. I recall us hitting 2 or 3 to the wall as well. That could have easily made it 8-7 Sox. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Is the cup half full or half empty? But hey, I'm not one to try to cheer this board up when it so obviously just wants to wallow in anger and s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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