whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I agree with you on Pierre. I like the idea of having two speedsters at the top of the order but we would need a good power hitter at both first base and DH to make up for such a light hitting outfield of Podsednik and Pierre. Also, Rowand's defense was awesome but it's not like he did much with his arm. I don't see how Pierre's weak arm would be much of a difference from Rowand's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) From ESPN - " He has quickened his release and overall his arm is considered adequate." I wouldn't consider adequate to be strong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First thats ESPN, second have you watched any sox games this year ??? come on aaron has a good arm, not great, but it isnt horrable like you stated earlier. And it is way better then Pods, or Pierre's arm EDIT: sorry you didnt say he had a weak arm it was someone else, my bad Edited November 18, 2005 by whitesoxfan1022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 i fixed it for you <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I meant what I wrote. Anyone who thought Rowand's arm was strong and accurate this past season must have been watching another team play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan1022 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 03:28 PM) First thats ESPN, second have you watched any sox games this year??? come on aaron has a good arm, not great, but it isnt horrable like you stated earlier. And it is way better then Pods, or Pierre's arm No-one is saying Rowand's arm is as bad as Pods or Pierre's, but it's not STRONG as you said. He's an excellent defensive outfielder for sure, but his arm isn't the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 No, I meant what I wrote. Anyone who thought Rowand's arm was strong and accurate this past season must have been watching another team play. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WOW, whats next, Rowand is a horrable fielder as well. Comeon man, Rowand didnt have an Ichiro type arm, but he did have one of the stronger arms in the AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 No-one is saying Rowand's arm is as bad as Pods or Pierre's, but it's not STRONG as you said. He's an excellent defensive outfielder for sure, but his arm isn't the reason. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan1022 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) but he did have one of the stronger arms in the AL Ok then. So who had a better arm in the AL then Aaron Rowand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 WOW, whats next, Rowand is a horrable fielder as well. Comeon man, Rowand didnt have an Ichiro type arm, but he did have one of the stronger arms in the AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are putting words in my mouth. He was great at fielding the ball. I don't think he had one of the stronger arms in the A.L. though. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 No-one is saying Rowand's arm is as bad as Pods or Pierre's, but it's not STRONG as you said. He's an excellent defensive outfielder for sure, but his arm isn't the reason. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> someone before stated he has an horrable arm, and his arm as compairable to pierre's, but i realized that wasnt you. I know his arm wasnt the strongest, but my argument this whole time was with the one guy that said pierre had the same arm as aaron...thats just crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I've been saying for a while that Rowand's arm was extremely subpar for him. He's not even in the picture for best throwing CF in the AL. For some reason, he seemed to play pepper with the pitcher's mound whenever he tried to throw someone out at home. I'm 99 pct sure he didn't have an outfield assist at home plate this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 We already had 2 bad arms in the outfield this past season -- Podsednik's and Rowand's. Dye had a strong arm but he wasn't accurate with it. Didn't you know that having one bad season means you are on the decline? I wonder what it means when you only have one really good season and then a really horrible one to follow it up like Rowand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are putting words in my mouth. He was great at fielding the ball. I don't think he had one of the stronger arms in the A.L. though. Not even close. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How am I putting words in your mouth, you said Rowand has a bad arm, which is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan1022 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:34 PM) someone before stated he has an horrable arm, and his arm as compairable to pierre's, but i realized that wasnt you. I know his arm wasnt the strongest, but my argument this whole time was with the one guy that said pierre had the same arm as aaron...thats just crazy Does arm strength really matter if you are no accurate? Jermaine dye and vlad are two prime examples that arm strength does not = good. I want accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) I've been saying for a while that Rowand's arm was extremely subpar for him. He's not even in the picture for best throwing CF in the AL. For some reason, he seemed to play pepper with the pitcher's mound whenever he tried to throw someone out at home. I'm 99 pct sure he didn't have an outfield assist at home plate this season. He had 3 assists this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) How am I putting words in your mouth, you said Rowand has a bad arm, which is wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here's how: WOW, whats next, Rowand is a horrable fielder as well. Comeon man, Rowand didnt have an Ichiro type arm, but he did have one of the stronger arms in the AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I do stand by what I said though. Rowand's arm was not good this past season. Edited November 18, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Ok then. So who had a better arm in the AL then Aaron Rowand? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> this may take a while , but i will try to name the ones off the top of my head: Ichiro Dye Vlad Rivera LAA s*** i cant think of any right now , but he has to be in the top 1/3 of arms in the al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 04:36 AM) He had 3 assists this season. That's all for the entire season? I'm pretty sure they don't include any outs at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan1022 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:35 PM) How am I putting words in your mouth, you said Rowand has a bad arm, which is wrong. Rowand's arm was brutal this season. All of are outfielders arms were a problem in different aspects. Podsednik? He is fairly accurate without the bit of arm strength to thrown people out. Dye? Well he just throws the ball over the cut off man, he has even throw it over two cut off men in one play. Rowand buries everything he throws into the ground and it is a six hopper to it's destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Here's how: I do stand by what I said though. Rowand's arm was not good this past season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> but you do agree that he has a better arm then what you first said, and a worse arm then what i said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Rowand's arm was brutal this season. All of are outfielders arms were a problem in different aspects. Podsednik? He is fairly accurate without the bit of arm strength to thrown people out. Dye? Well he just throws the ball over the cut off man, he has even throw it over two cut off men in one play. Rowand buries everything he throws into the ground and it is a six hopper to it's destination. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 but you do agree that he has a better arm then what you first said, and a worse arm then what i said? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know Pierre's arm is terribly weak. But honestly, the way Rowand threw the ball most of the time, I don't see how Pierre's arm would be any different. They would both suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I know Pierre's arm is terribly weak. But honestly, the way Rowand threw the ball most of the time, I don't see how Pierre's arm would be any different. They would both suck. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats were i disagree, but o well we all have are own thoughts, but you think Rowand is a better all around fielder then Pierre, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) Thats were i disagree, but o well we all have are own thoughts, but you think Rowand is a better all around fielder then Pierre, correct? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course. I have been talking about Rowand's and Pierre's arms this entire time. Not their ability to field the ball. Rowand is better defensively than Pierre. It's just that both of their arms sucked this past season so I don't see how one would make much of a difference over the other. Edited November 18, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:38 PM) That's all for the entire season? I'm pretty sure they don't include any outs at home. Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan1022 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Of course. I have been talking about Rowand's and Pierre's arms this entire time. Not their ability to field the ball. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yea, I know, but I was just wondering on what you thought of there overall fielding... but hell yea we finally agreed on something!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 04:44 AM) Not true. When did he throw someone out at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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