SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 The thing that is really bugging me is this team has given up down only 3 runs in the 4th inning. It's sad I'm starting to highly doubt us making the playoffs. KW has ruined this team. The first and last sentences are contradictory. KW isn't the one to motivate the team and make sure they play with intensity and passion and give 100%. KW isn't the one who is supposed to keep this team from quitting. That is the job of Ozzie "the great motivator" Guillen. What has Ozzie done well this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:07 AM) I'm not thrilled about picking up Buehrle's option next season, but the truth is, what alternatives are there? I doubt we're going to be outbidding many ballclubs for a valuable starting pitcher. Our system isn't capable of assisting our rotation for next season. Maybe Ozzie will go golfing with a high-priced, mediocre pitcher this offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Nice job settling down a bit by Mark, too bad he won't get picked up by the O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 ha, of course he gets him out on an outside pitch... but good job by MB, need to hold them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I'm not thrilled about picking up Buehrle's option next season, but the truth is, what alternatives are there? How much is Buehrle's option for next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:06 PM) I think Kenny has done a great job overall as White Sox GM, however, if this teams fails to reach the playoffs it's all on his shoulders. We didn't make it in '01-'04 but we didn't have a $100 M budget at that time either. You pour this much money into the team, and especially this rotation, you expect something more than a turd. Plus he could have very easily improved the team at the deadline (at least by trading away one of the underachievers). Nobody wants to trade for an underachiever, you don't trade guys at minimum value. Plus, the payroll number doesn't change the unexpected dropoff by this pitching staff. The only way this year is Kenny's fault is if YOU predicted the pitching rotation would be this bad, becasue even if they were just mediocre, we'd be a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 We're picking up Buehrle's option, I will bet my membership to this site on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) How much is Buehrle's option for next season? 9.5M, 1M buyout I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) I'm not thrilled about picking up Buehrle's option next season, but the truth is, what alternatives are there? I doubt we're going to be outbidding many ballclubs for a valuable starting pitcher. Our system isn't capable of assisting our rotation for next season. Broadway can't be any worse than Buehrle has been in 2007, and bringing him up, trading Garcia, and putting McCarthy in the pen gives us A TON of payroll flexibility while seeing what we have for the future. I'd MUCH rather do that then keep overpaid dead weight, wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:09 PM) Nice job settling down a bit by Mark, too bad he won't get picked up by the O. For as many jams as he's gotten into, he's actually be pretty good at keeping this close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) How much is Buehrle's option for next season? 9.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 turn it around now. PLLLLLEEEEASSEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 That may have been the worst throw in the history of sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:11 AM) Broadway can't be any worse than Buehrle has been in 2007, and bringing him up, trading Garcia, and putting McCarthy in the pen gives us A TON of payroll flexibility while seeing what we have for the future. I'd MUCH rather do that then keep overpaid dead weight, wouldn't you? Broadway can't be worse than Buehrle? WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Alright, now capitalize and use that as a starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) KW put a winning roster on the field. The starting pitchers haven't performed, and there are three members of our coaching staff that have sucked this year. However, our team doesn't deserve to make the postseason if every single starting pitcher underachieves. Yes, but there's nothing stopping KW from improving a bad situation. If he didn't want to own up on Vazquez being a mistake, then shame on him. The starters haven't performed, but who's the one trading for them and signing them to long-term contract extensions? He's the one that picked them. It's his mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Take advantage of this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:12 AM) Yes, but there's nothing stopping KW from improving a bad situation. If he didn't want to own up on Vazquez being a mistake, then shame on him. The starters haven't performed, but who's the one trading for them and signing them to long-term contract extensions? He's the one that picked them. It's his mess. He signed Garland and Contreras to long-term contracts, and they're are two best starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Buehrle could get dealt, but I doubt it. I think he's pretty tired and an off-season will help him. I also think he's mentally spent. I think both Vaz and Freddy will be gone, unless Vaz makes some serious strides. Hell, I wouldn't even be shocked if we considered moving Jose. I think we could have a very very busy off-season. It will mainly involve, SS/LF and the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:12 PM) Broadway can't be worse than Buehrle? WOW! Not unless he has like a 6 ERA. I know we are going to pick up the Buehrle option, but if your telling me it's a good move I'm going to laugh. He's been figured out and 9.5 million for a figured out, overworked lefty is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 likely pitching around Crede here, the bottom three of Uribe, Anderson and Sandy probably look good to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) I'm not thrilled about picking up Buehrle's option next season, but the truth is, what alternatives are there? I doubt we're going to be outbidding many ballclubs for a valuable starting pitcher. Our system isn't capable of assisting our rotation for next season. I agree. We probably need to replace 2 rotation spots, if Buehrle is gone that's 3. That's going to be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:13 AM) Not unless he has like a 6 ERA. I know we are going to pick up the Buehrle option, but if your telling me it's a good move I'm going to laugh. He's been figured out and 9.5 million for a figured out, overworked lefty is silly. Every single team in baseball would jump at the chance to have Mark Buehrle for 9.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:12 PM) Yes, but there's nothing stopping KW from improving a bad situation. If he didn't want to own up on Vazquez being a mistake, then shame on him. The starters haven't performed, but who's the one trading for them and signing them to long-term contract extensions? He's the one that picked them. It's his mess. The two pitchers that he's signed for extensions recently are Contreras and Garland, and they're our only 2 pitchers pitching their worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Broadway can't be worse than Buehrle? WOW! I'm with Fathom on this one. Do you really think a rookie pitcher who has never pitched above AA can't have a 5+ ERA? Broadway is no Liriano or Verlander...not yet at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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