The latest on the Sox-Rangers front from Phil Rogers:

 

Ditto possibilities for the Sox and the Rangers, who are interested in Vazquez and Mark Buehrle. There's the making for a monster deal between these teams, with Sox center fielder Brian Anderson and Rangers reliever Akinori Otsuka among the names in play. The White Sox like pitching prospects John Danks and Nick Masset, and the Rangers reportedly would part with the previously untouchable Danks to land a starter they could control through 2008. Sox GM Ken Williams on Thursday about trading pitching: "With regard to starting pitching, quite frankly, unless we're able to improve the '07 club, unless something makes us better now and also gets us some youth, positions us for the future, we're not going to do a deal." A trade with Texas, say Vazquez or Garcia for Otsuka (32-for-36 in saves, 2.11 ERA), Danks and Masset might qualify.

Haven't had a chance to read through this thread but if the deal is right I have absolutely 0 problem with trading Garland.

Garland shouldnt be going anywhere as we is one of the most consistently good pitcher in the AL the last 2 years. Levine is speculating, as usual.

He was good in 05. Last season he was as inconsistant as they come. I've let my position be well known here, if we can't trade Freddy the next starter I'd like to trade is JG. He's really had one above average year in his whole career and he's probably our starter with the most value. We do match up pretty well with Texas and this just might be the team we get something done with.

On that Texas scenario, would people prefer trying to get Eric Hurley included instead of Otsuka, and then we try to sign Justin Speier in FA?

 

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone basically there.

 

I like the way we're heading here though.

They played a quote from KW saying something along the lines of

 

"We've been putting our feelers out there concerning deals, but it's only been feelers so far. We feel like we we're in a good position. We like all of our starters, but we feel like if there is a fit, where we can get major league talent and young pitching (read minor leaguer top prospects) in return, we'd be in better position for the future."

that's the part that pops out to me. It think KW is looking to do a quality majore league player and a top prospect for a starter instead of only top prospects. I don't want to see him trade Garland for only prospects at this point, the Sox need to add proven major league talent this year IMO. I think the only way he moves a starter and doesn't get a top prospect is if he gets Tejada. Other than that I see a mix of a good Major Leaguer and a good prospect

Edited November 17, 200619 yr by SoxFan562004

With the front 4 in this rotation, the team would be competitive for years. Great pitching trumps great hitting over a season. I don't think we need to make major overhauls, taking the Twins, Tigers, and Sox lineups last year, 8 or 9 times out of 10, the Sox would make the playoffs over one or both of those teams. Making major changes over a slight aberration, isn't sound mid range strategy.

On that Texas scenario, would people prefer trying to get Eric Hurley included instead of Otsuka, and then we try to sign Justin Speier in FA?

 

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone basically there.

 

I like the way we're heading here though.

I'd prefer Williams choose Hurley over Otsuka. I don't know what the Sox see in Nick Masset, though . Any deal for our starters should include, at the least, two SP prospects.

 

Vazquez or Buehrle and Anderson for Danks/Masset/Hurley/additonal player is about what I'd expect. If Sheffield is worth three legitimate pitching prospects, Vazquez and Anderson should be worth atleast two themselves.

If any trade is made with Texas, Young better be part of it.

 

Garcia straight up

 

Garland or vazquez should get another arm with young

 

Maybe it is McDougal and a starter for the Japanese reliever and Young.

Ya, so no closer than RockRaines nomination for president.

I had a press release drafted as well. Turns out it didnt happen.

Son, I like the way you're put together.

 

Extracting this philosophy of holding our organization to high standards, which I often cite, is why I EXPECT Williams to orchestrate a trade which heavily favors us this offseason. Such a scenario centers around our starting pitching staff. If he's unable to sell any of our five starting pitchers above what an impartial observal may deem equal value, something is wrong. Especially in this market of outrageous demands where so few candidates are worthy of their contracts.

 

Why should I expect so little in return when I know if the situation were flipped, and we were the ones acquiring a veteran pitcher, Williams would overpay for a starting pitcher.

 

The entire purpose of shopping all five starters to the most generous bid during peek demand is making sure we don't have to "give something to get something."

 

/time for my prozac now!111

 

I'm glad we share the same organizational philosophy, and count me in your camp that finds it unacceptable the team hasn't found/produced a Johan Santana or Francisco Liriano.

I'm glad we share the same organizational philosophy, and count me in your camp that finds it unacceptable the team hasn't found/produced a Johan Santana or Francisco Liriano.

Im sure we could find a pitcher who throws out his arm and needs TJ surgery..

I'm glad we share the same organizational philosophy, and count me in your camp that finds it unacceptable the team hasn't found/produced a Johan Santana or Francisco Liriano.

Well, now I believe you're just mocking me.

 

I have used the point of referencing Liriano and Santana as pitchers we're unable to obtain because our Latin American scouting has been so atrocious. Not that I find it 'unacceptable' we currently have a pitcher of eithers stature, but that we seemingly have no intent on searching for them.

 

That's all I have to say about that. Don't want to sidetrack this thread.

Son, I like the way you're put together.

 

Extracting this philosophy of holding our organization to high standards, which I often cite, is why I EXPECT Williams to orchestrate a trade which heavily favors us this offseason. Such a scenario centers around our starting pitching staff. If he's unable to sell any of our five starting pitchers above what an impartial observal may deem equal value, something is wrong. Especially in this market of outrageous demands where so few candidates are worthy of their contracts.

 

Why should I expect so little in return when I know if the situation were flipped, and we were the ones acquiring a veteran pitcher, Williams would overpay for a starting pitcher.

 

The entire purpose of shopping all five starters to the most generous bid during peek demand is making sure we don't have to "give something to get something."

 

/time for my prozac now!111

 

 

Are you writing a corporate mission statement? You're a fan for christ sakes. You're not part of the organization. The internet can be beyond weird.

Are you writing a corporate mission statement? You're a fan for christ sakes. You're not part of the organization. The internet can be beyond weird.

You think that's weird?

 

I'm at UIC right now, why don't you tell me where you live are Taylor Street so I can find you and KICK YOUR ASS!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 200619 yr by Flash Tizzle

Are you writing a corporate mission statement? You're a fan for christ sakes. You're not part of the organization. The internet can be beyond weird.

 

As a White Sox fan, Flash Tizzle has an interest in the team. He is a consumer of the organization and demands a quality product in return. What makes that weird, or different from buying any other product?

 

I wonder how any Sox fan could disagree with Flash's desire to want the Sox organization to make the best decisions possible, but you've been an irrational supporter of horrible performers Juan Uribe and Joe Crede (when he sucked), so it's believeable for you to not desire quality.

The latest on the Sox-Rangers front from Phil Rogers:

 

I read this on Rotoworld earlier, and I would love this trade, although given the choice I might rather part with Freddy than Javy. Would be nice to get someone like Otsuka who can fill in for Jenks should something happen.

Oh course the Rangers have interest in Jon Garland... MY GOD THERE'S A REASON THEIR PITCHING STAFF IS A JOKE! THEY ALL SUCK! THEIR MINORS ARE WORSE THEN OURS! Hell i'm not trading two never will be's and one VERY SLIM CHANCE IN HELL of ever being for Jon Garland... If we do we have a good chance of finishing in forth place next year...

I'm just so freaken sick of these prospect fluffers who think Jon Garland's just grow on freaken trees... THEY DON'T! THESE LOSERS LIKE DANKS WOULD MAKE USE DREAM OF THE DAY WE HAD JON RAUCH STARTING FOR US!!! THEY SUCK!

Oh course the Rangers have interest in Jon Garland... MY GOD THERE'S A REASON THEIR PITCHING STAFF IS A JOKE! THEY ALL SUCK! THEIR MINORS ARE WORSE THEN OURS! Hell i'm not trading two never will be's and one VERY SLIM CHANCE IN HELL of ever being for Jon Garland... If we do we have a good chance of finishing in forth place next year...

 

LOL. Yes! Jeckle has returned. I burn up some serious calories laughing after reading a Jeckle post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6185140

No. Just please no.

Well this appears to be the first substantial report concerning Garland to the Rangers, it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

This offseason really is shaping up to be a disaster. I can't wait to see Ozzie keep his guys, and have our best pitcher for the next 3 years shipped off for some prospects that we'll never develop anyways.

I am not even going to say anything yet...

You seem to be looking for a excuse to jump of a ledge. Nothing has happened yet, relax.

 

That couldn't be further from the truth. Actually, I'm usually very calm during the offseason compared to when the games are going on. I just can't say I'm a fan of the proposed moves I've read about. And this report doesn't seem to be just a rumor...it seems like something is imminent. If it's Garland and Anderson for Otsuka, Danks, and another reliever, I won't be upset though.