kwolf68 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) 0 of the 30 Major League Baseball teams have confidence that Jose Contreras can get anyone out. So you're saying we probably won't be able to deal him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Sox should just shut him down now and give sox fans a little relief from watching him get lit up everynight...oh wait, our prospects all have ERAs over 6 also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 So we yank Jose from the rotation, who takes his place? Chuck Haegar? Gavin Floyd... Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Bring up Gio .. hell he can't do worse than Count or Floyd....and if he does... well welcome to the 5th starter carousel. Either that or try Sisco as a starter and see how it goes. Edited August 1, 2007 by EvilJester99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I'm probably one of the very few who think Contreras can bounce back from this. But I'd give him a few starts off. I still think this whole smuggling thing is weighing on him. But as the post above says, Gavin Floyd and Charlie Haeger will hardly make you forget Jose Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) I'm probably one of the very few who think Contreras can bounce back from this. But I'd give him a few starts off. I still think this whole smuggling thing is weighing on him. But as the post above says, Gavin Floyd and Charlie Haeger will hardly make you forget Jose Contreras. atleast they have some type of future in professional baseball though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Jose is so bad it really is sad. Not meant to rhyme. He needs to go on the DL even if he's not hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) I'm probably one of the very few who think Contreras can bounce back from this. But I'd give him a few starts off. I still think this whole smuggling thing is weighing on him. But as the post above says, Gavin Floyd and Charlie Haeger will hardly make you forget Jose Contreras. I agree. Floyd really makes me sick. Oh well, we tried. I honestly wish Cooper would take away all the damn arm angles and just get Jose throwing over the top again. And let him throw the damn forkball every other pitch for all I care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred3535 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I bet the market for him is ON FIRE right now. At least Dave Littlefield's probably beating down the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfood22 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I hope that over the offseason when similarly sucky starting pitchers are getting paid out the butthole someone comes along and offers to take Jose off our hands. I could see a lot of teams thinking Jose will never get his velocity back as a starter, but I wonder if over the offseason someone will take a shot at him as a setup man or a closer? I know the Mets have Shoenweis who I think is making $2million or more for a couple of years, and Baltimore has some bad contracts in their pen as well, so maybe the Sox can do something where they give up one of our cheap bullpen arms, assume a bad contract, and then pay $3million or so per season? Because if that could happen, some team would essentially be adding only $4-5million or so to the payroll, equally replace or upgrade their worst bullpen pitcher, and pick up a project. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but looking at the contracts the Weaver and Suppan got (yes Suppan, who is not the no. 2 starter he's being paid like) gives me some hope. Maybe we could even throw in Floyd and Bukvich and call it the dogs*** special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkmoney Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 On Mike North this morning they were talking about how Jose is still going through a divorce and has been since opening day. I kinda feel for him now.. I say send him down to AAA or shut him down completely for at least august and see what he can do when hes back. just get the divorce over with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(bkmoney @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 10:09 AM) On Mike North this morning they were talking about how Jose is still going through a divorce and has been since opening day. I kinda feel for him now.. I say send him down to AAA or shut him down completely for at least august and see what he can do when hes back. just get the divorce over with. Total BS excuse. I can see the divorce making him pitch poorly (which he is), but you don't lose velocity due to it. If the divorce is on his mind then I could see him making bad pitces, but not 87mph bad pitches. The guy is done, put a fork in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 07:17 AM) I agree. Floyd really makes me sick. Oh well, we tried. I honestly wish Cooper would take away all the damn arm angles and just get Jose throwing over the top again. And let him throw the damn forkball every other pitch for all I care. I think the reason he's not is because either he's got a hammy (leg) injury or a back problem - he can't push off to get over the top like he was before he went on the DL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(bkmoney @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 08:09 AM) On Mike North this morning they were talking about how Jose is still going through a divorce and has been since opening day. I kinda feel for him now.. I say send him down to AAA or shut him down completely for at least august and see what he can do when hes back. just get the divorce over with. The divorce has been going on since before Christmas and from rumors, it's a doosey and not expected to end soon, or nicely. However, that's not an excuse. Other players have dealt with much worse and held it together between the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Put Jose in the pen for the remainder of the year - they need the help anyway. And let Floyd start. If we are going to have a crappy starter, let's at least let it be Floyd the rest of the year, so we can see if he has the mental stuff do get it done. This year should be a tryout anyway, at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) Put Jose in the pen for the remainder of the year - they need the help anyway. And let Floyd start. If we are going to have a crappy starter, let's at least let it be Floyd the rest of the year, so we can see if he has the mental stuff do get it done. This year should be a tryout anyway, at this point. He doesn't work well out of the pen. He pretty much just needs shut down at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 08:44 AM) He doesn't work well out of the pen. He pretty much just needs shut down at this point. He's not working well anywhere at this point. Though I am not in favor of tossing $10mil out in the pen to rot - because that is what will happen if he's put out there. Examine him... and hope he's got MINOR soreness somewhere. Give him some shots, rehab him, something, anything! But to give away a game every 5th day is bulls***, and that's what's happening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) He doesn't work well out of the pen. He pretty much just needs shut down at this point. Fine, shut him down, or do what Steff said. I was more getting at the point that Floyd or Haeger should be the #5 for the rest of the season (and not just one or two starts either - I mean all of August and September, a real legitimate look). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 08:41 AM) And let Floyd start. If we are going to have a crappy starter, let's at least let it be Floyd the rest of the year, so we can see if he has the mental stuff do get it done. This year should be a tryout anyway, at this point. That is truly a depressing prospect. Please think it over. Floyd, in addition to being a really lousy pitcher, is sensitive and weak mentally. The truth is two years after nirvana, we're looking into the abyss. The team is swiss cheese like with holes all over the place. Gavin Floyd? Please, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) He's not working well anywhere at this point. Though I am not in favor of tossing $10mil out in the pen to rot - because that is what will happen if he's put out there. Examine him... and hope he's got MINOR soreness somewhere. Give him some shots, rehab him, something, anything! But to give away a game every 5th day is bulls***, and that's what's happening now. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) Fine, shut him down, or do what Steff said. I was more getting at the point that Floyd or Haeger should be the #5 for the rest of the season (and not just one or two starts either - I mean all of August and September, a real legitimate look). Nah, I hear you... that's sort of what I was getting at. I think I put that in another post somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Yossarian @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 03:01 PM) That is truly a depressing prospect. Please think it over. Floyd, in addition to being a really lousy pitcher, is sensitive and weak mentally. The truth is two years after nirvana, we're looking into the abyss. The team is swiss cheese like with holes all over the place. Gavin Floyd? Please, no. I feel like we're in 2003 and 2004 hell again - the dreaded 5th starter clusterf***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Why is putting Contreras out there every 5th game just giving the game away, and putting Floyd out there something different? As bad as Contreras has been, Floyd is just as if not more awful. At least Contreras has a history to suggest he may someday find success again. Putting Floyd out there sends the wrong message to others in the organization. Reward younger pitchers for results, not because they were part of a deal for a popular pitcher. Edited August 1, 2007 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 03:03 PM) Why is putting Contreras out there every 5th game just giving the game away, and putting Floyd out there something different? As bad as Contreras has been, Floyd is just as if not more awful. At least Contreras has a history to suggest he may someday find success again. Putting Floyd out there sends the wrong message to others in the organization. Reward younger pitchers for results, not because they were part of a deal for a popular pitcher. How do you get results, if you don't put them out there to try and get results? Floyd is bad... but what if he's told you are going to get your shot, it's now or never, you have the rest of the season to put it together, mental midget... get it right, or get DFA'd. By the way, what is his contract status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 09:08 AM) How do you get results, if you don't put them out there to try and get results? Floyd is bad... but what if he's told you are going to get your shot, it's now or never, you have the rest of the season to put it together, mental midget... get it right, or get DFA'd. By the way, what is his contract status? Yikes.. who peed in your Cheerios this morning..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 He's neither a midget, nor mental, but he's a mental midget. There is a difference when the words are used together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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