striker Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 According to Cots contracts, both AJ and Linebrink have no trade rights. Unless I'm reading this wrong. http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/c...-white-sox.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Oct 30, 2009 -> 02:20 PM) According to Cots contracts, both AJ and Linebrink have no trade rights. Unless I'm reading this wrong. http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/c...-white-sox.html Well most everyone seems to be under the impression that the limited no trade clause that Pierzynski received with his deal in December of '05 carried over to the contract he signed in October of '07. He'll receive 10/5 no trade protection 72 days into the season so I'm not particularly worried about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 How does a player playing part of the season in the minors affect his salary and his arbtitration eligibility? For instance, Lillibridge. He made $402,500 but was he paid that much since he spent some of the season in the minors? Does a player have to play 3 years in the majors for a certain amount of time to become arbitration eligible? Could a player like Lillibridge be pre-arb for 4 or 5 years based on his major league service time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 1, 2009 -> 08:35 AM) How does a player playing part of the season in the minors affect his salary and his arbtitration eligibility? For instance, Lillibridge. He made $402,500 but was he paid that much since he spent some of the season in the minors? Does a player have to play 3 years in the majors for a certain amount of time to become arbitration eligible? Could a player like Lillibridge be pre-arb for 4 or 5 years based on his major league service time?  The contract was negotiated before the season began, his salary ($402,500) would have remained the same if he never played a game in the majors this season. The sox would have to pick up the entire contract regardless.  This should answer your question.  Pre-Arbitration players are those players who have accumulated fewer than three full years of Major League service time (172 days counts as a full year even though the season is actually 183)... except those players in the top 17% of the two year class, which is usually around two years and 130 days. How did that exception get in there? That's collective bargaining for you. Nevertheless, as a quick rule of thumb just think: any player with less than two years and four months of big league time is pre-arbitration.   How Service Time is Calculated Major League service time does NOT include all time spent on the Major League 40-man roster. It only includes time spent on the Major League 25-man roster, both active and disabled. So, a player who is on the 40-man roster in spring training, gets optioned to AAA in March, and then gets recalled to the big leagues for the month of September will accumulate 30 Major League service days (September only). On the other hand, a player who is placed on the Major League disabled list in spring training and misses the entire season will actually be given a full year of service time.  Salary Guidelines for Pre-Arbitration Players Why am I writing about this? Well, the free agents sign for whatever they can get on the free market, arbitration eligible players must come to a mutually acceptable agreement with their teams or have their salaries determined by an arbitation panel, but pre-arbitration players get paid whatever the Club wants to pay them... with a couple of caveats:  * The salary must be at least the Major League minimum salary ($400,000 in 2009) * The salary must be at least 80% of the prior year's compensation  Therefore, by rule, every Club has the right to pay each of these players the Major League minimum as long as the amount satisfies caveat #2 above. However, no Club actually does this.  Rather, Clubs actually "negotiate" each and every one of these deals with the players' agents in order to come to an agreement. I write "negotiate" because at the end of the day it's a pretty one-sided negotiation - the Club maintains all the leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 UPDATED VERSION   Removed Dye, Getz and Fields  Added De Aza, Kotsay and Teahen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 UPDATED VERSION [11.23.09] Â (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Â Added the Rule V protectees and Omar Vizquel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 How is it that Lucas Harrell and Cole Armstrong have only one option left each, even though neither has ever seen the majors? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 07:28 PM) Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option. That's what keeps teams from putting a Rule V eligible player on the 40 man roster and leaving him in AAA for the next 10 years. The system is designed to give players a chance to play and keep teams from hording away guys that they have no use for.  4 or 5 years in the minors until you're Rule V eligible 3 years on the 40 man roster without making the 25 man 6 years on the 25 man before free agency  so 13 or 14 years of waiting for your chance before you can go out and find work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 07:28 PM) Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option. Â Thanks for that info, makes sense with what Kalapse said. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 seems about 95 mil now including likely arbitration money. Hope we still have cash for RF, DH, and Bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 UPDATED VERSION [11.25.09] Â (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Â Added Andruw Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 What do pre-arbitration players make? Is there a wage scale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 The team pays them whatever they see fit as long as it's at or above the league minimum of $400K and coincides with wage reduction rules (you can lower a player's salary only so much from the previous season). For example: Quentin made $550K last season in his final year before arbitration as did Jenks in '08 while John Danks made $520K and Brent Lillibridge $0.4025M. So the Sox felt Quentin was worth 38% over the minimum, Jenks 41% (the minimum was $390K in '08), Danks 30% and Lillibridge .625%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 06:09 PM) UPDATED FOR THE JONES SIGNING [11.25.09]Â LINK Â great layout on the payroll, Â i was reading the hot stove and came across this about money lost by the tigers. using this run down and plug in what we know of the sox, i wonder how close we can deduct about the sox financial going into 2010. Â http://www.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/1692921 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 UPDATED VERSION [12.08.09] Â (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Â Added Mark Teahen's new deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks again for this. I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Gotta love Tim Dierkes, he was just on the Score claiming the Sox will have a $120-$130 Million dollar payroll, and said that they could possibly go for Adrian Gonzalez, referencing (not by name) the SoxNet rumor that he so quickly shot down as unreliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 12, 2009 Author Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) Gotta love Tim Dierkes, he was just on the Score claiming the Sox will have a $120-$130 Million dollar payroll, and said that they could possibly go for Adrian Gonzalez, referencing (not by name) the SoxNet rumor that he so quickly shot down as unreliable. Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 04:02 PM) Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget. If we had that money Figgins or Beltre would be at 3b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget. Â DJ is obviously asking for $40M, since he was after all, team MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 01:03 AM) The contract was negotiated before the season began, his salary ($402,500) would have remained the same if he never played a game in the majors this season. The sox would have to pick up the entire contract regardless. Â This should answer your question. Sweet thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 12:54 AM) UPDATED VERSION [12.08.09]Â (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Â Added Mark Teahen's new deal Where do you get the values for service time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 12, 2009 Author Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) Where do you get the values for service time? I calculated them myself, they're off by at most 4 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 04:15 PM) I calculated them myself, they're off by at most 4 days. Â What the formula...I have been trying to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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