Charlotte lost 7-3

Egbert continues to struggle (5.1 IP, 6 R)

 

Barons lost 8-3

Day roughed up in another start

 

Hogs lost 1-0

Retherford 2-4

Rasner 5.1 IP, R (0 ER), 7 K, 3 BB, 6 H

 

Bristol won to avoid the minor league system sweep

Short 3-5, 2B, 2 R

I wouldn't say that Egbert "continues to struggle", since he'd been pitching quite well over the previous 8 or 9 games. He just had a bad outing.

 

David Cook, since returning from his brief DL stint, is starting to look like himself again (had been slumping before going down). He's 4-for-9 since returning plus 4 walks. His line today was classic Cook: 1-for-1 plus 3 walks.

 

Egbert has had a few good starts, but not a string of them. 4.61 ERA over his last 10 starts. He continues to struggle.

Egbert had a 3.97 ERA over 5 starts in June and a 2.32 ERA over 5 starts in July.

 

In those 10 starts he had 63 strikeouts vs. only 13 walks.

Am I an idiot. I see one that says last 10 starts, ERA in the mid 4's than another showing his ERS in June and July (10 starts) and neither of them are even above 5.

 

Are we sure 4.61 isn't his season long ERA?

Nevermind, I realize he's made 2 poor starts this month, so both of your guys info was correct.

Am I an idiot. I see one that says last 10 starts, ERA in the mid 4's than another showing his ERS in June and July (10 starts) and neither of them are even above 5.

 

Are we sure 4.61 isn't his season long ERA?

His full ERA at Charlotte appears to be 4.89.

Egbert has been an enigma.

 

Sometimes brilliant... sometimes brutal.

 

He's got the stuff... hopefully he can start to deliver it consistently.

 

 

 

I don't know first hand, but I don't think he actually has the stuff. He needs to be more pinpoint with it to get out AAA hitters consistently. If he does, he might be able to develop a career as a back of the rotation guy. I mean if people think Clayton Richard can pitch in the bigs for a sustained career, Egbert isn't far behind.

I don't know first hand, but I don't think he actually has the stuff. He needs to be more pinpoint with it to get out AAA hitters consistently. If he does, he might be able to develop a career as a back of the rotation guy. I mean if people think Clayton Richard can pitch in the bigs for a sustained career, Egbert isn't far behind.

 

To me 'the stuff' means a fastball over 90mph and a couple of other respectable pitches a guy can get over the plate. He's got that. He's got an average fastball, but both his changeup and slider are above average.

 

I mean... what's not to like about a guy with a 8-9 K/9, a K/BB that ranges between 3-4/1, and who generates alot of groundballs???

 

 

 

 

His velocity can get as high as about 94. He's got great sink and a nice looking changeup. Can't comment much on his slider.

To me 'the stuff' means a fastball over 90mph and a couple of other respectable pitches a guy can get over the plate. He's got that. He's got an average fastball, but both his changeup and slider are above average.

 

I mean... what's not to like about a guy with a 8-9 K/9, a K/BB that ranges between 3-4/1, and who generates alot of groundballs???

If his stuff was that good he wouldn't be having such a tough year.

Egbert's had some injury issues this season hasn't he?

If his stuff was that good he wouldn't be having such a tough year.

 

Stuff does not make a good pitcher. There is a lot more to it. Everyone has good talent if they make to the high minors. It's the mental approach and mental toughness which can get guys with good stuff pushed out of baseball.

Stuff does not make a good pitcher. There is a lot more to it. Everyone has good talent if they make to the high minors. It's the mental approach and mental toughness which can get guys with good stuff pushed out of baseball.

i.e. Mike MacDougal

 

If his stuff was that good he wouldn't be having such a tough year.

 

Those stats hold up. He just had a rough start after coming back from injury.

 

Assume you write off May due to the injury and recalculate his numbers... 13 starts; 81 2/3 innings; 3.64 ERA; 79 strikeouts; 19 walks

 

Now look at last year in Birmingham when we was healthy the entire year... 28 starts; 161 2/3 innings; 3.06 ERA; 165 strikeouts; 44 walks.

 

Projects out very similarly...

 

In fact his entire minor league body of work looks very similar.

 

So, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt for the month after coming back from injury that stands out as an anomoly against all the other stats.

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by scenario

I know for a fact that the White Sox organization doesn't think Egbert's stuff is good enough for the majors. It's too bad, as I'd love to have a sinker baller as the long man. I wouldn't be surprised if he's dealt in the offseason as a throw-in.

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by fathom

I know for a fact that the White Sox organization doesn't think Egbert's stuff is good enough for the majors. It's too bad, as I'd love to have a sinker baller as the long man. I wouldn't be surprised if he's dealt in the offseason as a throw-in.

From what I've heard, its the complete opposite. The stuff I"ve heard is that the higher ups in the org like him a lot (well at least the GM does).

From what I've heard, its the complete opposite. The stuff I"ve heard is that the higher ups in the org like him a lot (well at least the GM does).

 

I'm going off of what one of KW's assistants was saying in the press box a few weeks back. Is he really 3-10 with a 4.89 ERA? I guess I don't follow win-loss records too much.

Some interesting splits on Egbert. At home (bandbox), he gives up a ton of homers but his ERA is below 4. On the road, he's given up 2 homers in 38 innings, but his ERA is brutal. What gives?

I'm going off of what one of KW's assistants was saying in the press box a few weeks back. Is he really 3-10 with a 4.89 ERA? I guess I don't follow win-loss records too much.

I've gotten the impression the last year or two that there may be a pretty big split between KW and some of his close assistants, and some others in his employ.

 

I've gotten the impression the last year or two that there may be a pretty big split between KW and some of his close assistants, and some others in his employ.

 

Do you think it could be that KW still likes his pitchers to be in the 90 mph range mode with good mechanics and control, whereas some of the newer assistants want the "sexier" prospect?

Do you think it could be that KW still likes his pitchers to be in the 90 mph range mode with good mechanics and control, whereas some of the newer assistants want the "sexier" prospect?

Maybe, I don't know. But in that particular case, I think the argument (tools vs results/reliability) probably goes on in every club. It goes on here too.

 

Stuff does not make a good pitcher. There is a lot more to it. Everyone has good talent if they make to the high minors. It's the mental approach and mental toughness which can get guys with good stuff pushed out of baseball.

I know that, but his mental approach was supposed to be what made him good previously. All I'm saying is one of them is wrong. You can't have stuff, makeup, and suck.

I know that, but his mental approach was supposed to be what made him good previously. All I'm saying is one of them is wrong. You can't have stuff, makeup, and suck.

Well, you forgot one wildcard - injury. Or a slight variation: mechanical or consistency issues.