There might be something that this pick lacks, and does so in a way that might actually affect something.

 

Latinos are a key swing constituency in this election. Bush picked up over 40% of that vote, and McCain really needs to hold on to that. Unfortunately, his party's actions since 2004 have done a great job of moving the Latino vote more solidly into the Democratic column. McCain might have benefitted most from a pick that could be seen as both friendly to hispanics and the conservative base. That might be a tall order, but I think its really the only way that either VP candidate could really have a lasting effect on the race.

You're right about that.

 

Myself, I'm reserving judgement - I just don't know about this one.

 

Sarah Palin aside, I'd like to comment on Obama's "experience."

 

While it's not "executive experience" running a Presidential campaign is probably as close as you can get. Running what is essentially a countrywide infrastructure of supporters, raising and handling millions of dollars, having to answer every and any question, and all under the spotlight of the national media for months on end. That's a proving ground if you ask me. And a good test to see if that individual has what it takes to stand up for the country in the international arena.

If "Executive experience" is the goal here, then our 2 Presidential candiates have exactly the same amount of it.

Personally, unless either candidate embarrasses themselves during the last three months of the campaign... there's not much that the VP does to change anything like this.

 

 

Personally, unless either candidate embarrasses themselves during the last three months of the campaign... there's not much that the VP does to change anything like this.

 

I don't think that's completely true. Regarding your Hispanic vote comment, McCain may have attracted their vote by picking a (hypothetical) Hispanic running-mate. Similarly, I think that Palin could garner votes from a number of soccer-mom moderates. Especially when Clinton surrogates are actively working to undermine Obama. I have no idea how many moderates Palin will sway, but she has a possibility to impact the election.

 

And speaking of Hispanics, I completely agree that Republicans will have trouble attracting their votes this year.

 

I think it's funny that people speak in the future tense of Hispanics abondoning the Republican party. Look at polling number in New Mexico, Nevada and even Texas... this is a problem happening right now for the GOP that isn't being addressed enough.

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I don't think that's completely true. Regarding your Hispanic vote comment, McCain may have attracted their vote by picking a (hypothetical) Hispanic running-mate. Similarly, I think that Palin could garner votes from a number of soccer-mom moderates. Especially when Clinton surrogates are actively working to undermine Obama. I have no idea how many moderates Palin will sway, but she has a possibility to impact the election.

I think the biggest way she may be able to do so is that she's a potential trap for Joe Biden in the debate. He's clearly head and shoulders above her in experience, stature, foreign policy knowledge, you name it...but the risk for him is he could over-do it and come off as condescending towards a woman.

If "Executive experience" is the goal here, then our 2 Presidential candiates have exactly the same amount of it.

 

 

thank you for addressing that

Counting on a guy that will be 72, 73, 74, 75 and 76 through his first term to not have any serious medical problems, including a stroke, or anything related to his cancer, or years of POWing while tackling the most stressful job in the world.....that's a bit of a gamble too.

 

 

Counting on a guy that will be 72, 73, 74, 75 and 76 through his first term to not have any serious medical problems, including a stroke, or anything related to his cancer, or years of POWing while tackling the most stressful job in the world.....that's a bit of a gamble too.

 

 

but he is a POW...

The 'no experience' cries from Obama voters is suspect at best

 

She has 2 years as governor and great approval ratings. not a lot of experience, but lets look at Obama...

 

Obama pushed 'no vote' button in springfield for a while and has been in the Senate for a minute or so. Deal with it, your guy has no experience and he is the top of the ticket.

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The 'no experience' cries from Obama voters is suspect at best

 

She has 2 years as governor and great approval ratings. not a lot of experience, but lets look at Obama...

 

Obama pushed 'no vote' button in springfield for a while and has been in the Senate for a minute or so. Deal with it, your guy has no experience and he is the top of the ticket.

 

I'd like to requote Balta on this one

 

If "Executive experience" is the goal here, then our 2 Presidential candiates have exactly the same amount of it.

 

I'm not buying this whole experience bulls*** for eithier side...yea American's buy into it but its raelly not that big of a deal unless we have the fry cook from McDonalds running.

I'm just saying that's the type of language that leads to verbal sparring and more snark.

 

 

this thread was majority 'snark' before i even posted in it

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I'm not buying this whole experience bulls*** for eithier side...yea American's buy into it but its raelly not that big of a deal unless we have the fry cook from McDonalds running.

 

i'm just pointing out the flawed logic in a lot of these pro-Obama posts claiming McCain's VP doesn't have the necessary experience..

this thread was majority 'snark' before i even posted in it

Yet you were among the first to whine about it.

Yet you were among the first to whine about it.

 

not whined, merely pointed it out. i honestly don't care if you want to post mindless garbage. go for it.

 

 

i'm just pointing out the flawed logic in a lot of these pro-Obama posts claiming McCain's VP doesn't have the necessary experience..

 

There's still a world of difference between US Senator and governor of Alaska.

i'm just pointing out the flawed logic in a lot of these pro-Obama posts claiming McCain's VP doesn't have the necessary experience..

That isn't the logic... the logic is that it dampens the effectiveness of the "inexperience" attacks. Obama's not going to go after Palin for being inexperienced.

There's still a world of difference between US Senator and governor of Alaska.

 

true, the governor is actually running things. pick some random person out of a crowd and they could have done what Obama did in the Senate (which is basically nothing).

pick some random person out of a crowd and they could have done what Obama did in the Senate (which is basically nothing).

You have got to be kidding. You say the thread is full of snark without even reading it, and then you throw this gem out there?

 

i'm just pointing out the flawed logic in a lot of these pro-Obama posts claiming McCain's VP doesn't have the necessary experience..

 

Be that as it may, but I think it's a fair criticism to say that McCain didn't consider qualifications for President as important enough a factor in naming his VP nominee.

That's still not a very smart thing to say, especially when Iran is developing nukes, threatening to use them on Israel, and has significant influence on global energy prices. Hence the "judgement" issue.

 

Maybe you should read what he actually said before saying it questions his judgment.

You have got to be kidding. You say the thread is full of snark without even reading it, and then you throw this gem out there?

 

i read the fist 6 pages and just gave up. don't get all pissy because i pointed out that Obama hasn't done anything.

 

the filibuster is rapidly becoming a dailykosII and basically i am going to just stop posting here (like a lot of the former regular conservative posters have) or i will have fun playing along with the direction of the content. i have no problem posting smart alecky garbage either.

Be that as it may, but I think it's a fair criticism to say that McCain didn't consider qualifications for President as important enough a factor in naming his VP nominee.

Exactly, especially since he made comments saying that would be his number one decider. This stinks of desperation and I really am afraid of what would happen if this woman did happen to become president.

true, the governor is actually running things. pick some random person out of a crowd and they could have done what Obama did in the Senate (which is basically nothing).

The governor of one of the least populated states.