Then what happens to Prince? Does he play the 4...? He would get his ass kicked.

The only way the Pistons could legit make signing Gordon work is to either turn one of Gordon/Hamilton in to a backup or trade one of Hamilton/Prince. Otherwise they'd just be ridiculously undersized. Do they really want a $10 million a year + shooting guard coming off their bench?

Then what happens to Prince? Does he play the 4...? He would get his ass kicked.

DET isn't very high on him at all anymore. They're been wanting to move him for a while now, hence they drafted 3 SF's. Right now, it seems that Detroit doesn't know who they like anymore.

Salmons isn't close to a top 10 SG in the league. I'm pretty sure Ben would not worry about him. And guys, if you thought Ben's 15FGA a game were bad(I don't know how you would), wait until you see Salmons realize he is the best shooter on the floor.

 

He took an average of 13 shots per game last year while averaging 38 minutes.

 

He doesn't like to pass the ball, but that didn't make him throw up a bunch of shots either.

DET isn't very high on him at all anymore. They're been wanting to move him for a while now, hence they drafted 3 SF's. Right now, it seems that Detroit doesn't know who they like anymore.

$10.3 million this year, $11.1 million next year left on Prince's contract. More moveable than Hamilton's, but doesn't give any team cap space for 2010.

Do they really want a $10 million a year + shooting guard coming off their bench?

They had an 11 mil a year shooting guard in Hamilton coming off their bench last year behind Iverson, so I wouldn't put it past them.

They had an 11 mil a year shooting guard in Hamilton coming off their bench last year behind Iverson, so I wouldn't put it past them.

I know it, but here's the thing...does Ben Gordon want to risk that he'll be the one who winds up being the backup? And is that a situation the Pistons will be willing to tolerate for more than a few months?

I know it, but here's the thing...does Ben Gordon want to risk that he'll be the one who winds up being the backup? And is that a situation the Pistons will be willing to tolerate for more than a few months?

Who knows. I honestly don't know why he'd ever want to go there in the first place outside of the obvious (and huge factor) money.

 

- Detroit, the city, sucks.

- The Pistons attendance has plummeted.

- They have no head coach.

- They have a clusterf*** of guards if he joins (Rip, BG, Stuckey, Bynum) and forwards (Prince, Jerebko, Daye, Green).

- He's better than Rip but doubtful he'd start over him, depending on the coach.

- The Bulls have a far more promising future than the Pistons.

Who knows. I honestly don't know why he'd ever want to go there in the first place outside of the obvious (and huge factor) money

It just seems like such a poor matchup for both the player and for the team. I can't figure it out.

 

Think about this...the Pistons dismantled their conference finals team, traded Billups for cap space, and out of that, they're going to get: maybe Gordon and Villaneueva? That's a terrible return.

It just seems like such a poor matchup for both the player and for the team. I can't figure it out.

 

Think about this...the Pistons dismantled their conference finals team, traded Billups for cap space, and out of that, they're going to get: maybe Gordon and Villaneueva? That's a terrible return.

 

I think Detroit might be the only team that cleared cap space for 2009 xD. They musta not heard the news about 2010.

Ya, Gordon's .455 FG% is way better than Salmons' .472...oh, wait.

 

And yet all you have to do is look at PER and you are able to see their careers in a nutshell. Gordon has a 16.0 PER, Salmons a wonderful, bousterous PER of 12.8.

And yet all you have to do is look at PER and you are able to see their careers in a nutshell. Gordon has a 16.0 PER, Salmons a wonderful, bousterous PER of 12.8.

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And yet all you have to do is look at PER and you are able to see their careers in a nutshell. Gordon has a 16.0 PER, Salmons a wonderful, bousterous PER of 12.8.

Kinda hard to compare careers considering last year was Salmons' break out year. Don't go around touting Gordon as one of the best shooting guards in the league because he's not. He scored a whole 2 points more than Salmons last year but Salmons had better FG% than BG for 2's and 3's. Obviously I'd rather have Gordon, but Salmons has legit size, actually plays some defense, and isn't too shabby of a scorer.

Kinda hard to compare careers considering last year was Salmons' break out year.

You realize Salmons is 29, right? And he'll be 30 this coming year? He got hot for an ok stretch, and if you remember he was injured and woeful in the playoffs. The Bulls and their fans sure jumped on that bandwagon quickly, but Salmons ain't all that and a bag of chips, and as far as playing basketball goes, Ben Gordon is the better player and it's not very close. At all.

 

BTW, Detroit isn't too high on Hamilton. They want to trade him for a big, but know Tayshaun has more value. Ideally they would trade RIP for Boozer, but god knows.

You realize Salmons is 29, right? And he'll be 30 this coming year? He got hot for an ok stretch, and if you remember he was injured and woeful in the playoffs. The Bulls and their fans sure jumped on that bandwagon quickly, but Salmons ain't all that and a bag of chips, and as far as playing basketball goes, Ben Gordon is the better player and it's not very close. At all.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And I'm not a BG fan.

You realize Salmons is 29, right? And he'll be 30 this coming year? He got hot for an ok stretch, and if you remember he was injured and woeful in the playoffs. The Bulls and their fans sure jumped on that bandwagon quickly, but Salmons ain't all that and a bag of chips, and as far as playing basketball goes, Ben Gordon is the better player and it's not very close. At all.

 

Bingo. Plus keep in mind, paying Ben Gordon at the age of 26 is much smarter than extending Salmons a contract at the age of 30 in which you'll be regretting it after 2 years, or you'll end up not giving him a contract because he sucks and you have to keep the rest of the "core" in Rose, Noah, Deng.

 

Salmons played very good last year. Career type ball. He's not that great though. He's a much better scorer than Deng though, that's a damn fact. If Bulls were smart, they would trade him now while he has maximum trade value.

You realize Salmons is 29, right? And he'll be 30 this coming year? He got hot for an ok stretch, and if you remember he was injured and woeful in the playoffs. The Bulls and their fans sure jumped on that bandwagon quickly, but Salmons ain't all that and a bag of chips, and as far as playing basketball goes, Ben Gordon is the better player and it's not very close. At all.

Way to ignore the rest of my post.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And I'm not a BG fan.

 

 

Bingo. Plus keep in mind, paying Ben Gordon at the age of 26 is much smarter than extending Salmons a contract at the age of 30 in which you'll be regretting it after 2 years, or you'll end up not giving him a contract because he sucks and you have to keep the rest of the "core" in Rose, Noah, Deng.

 

Salmons played very good last year. Career type ball. He's not that great though. He's a much better scorer than Deng though, that's a damn fact. If Bulls were smart, they would trade him now while he has maximum trade value.

Pretty sure I made it clear I'd much rather have Gordon, but that gap isn't as big as people make it seem, all things considered. Maybe I'm the only person who values defense and height.

Way to ignore the rest of my post.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure I made it clear I'd much rather have Gordon, but that gap isn't as big as people make it seem, all things considered. Maybe I'm the only person who values defense and height.

 

I value it as well as scoring. Salmons is a very good defender and I much prefer him to Deng as he's a better defender than Deng at SF and he's a much better scorer. The debate is Gordon vs Salmons as you said. Gordon is a better player though. His strength is offense and IMO, it far outweighs Salmons strength of defense. That's not to say Gordon sucks on defense because he doesn't. He hasn't sucked on defense since his 2nd year in the league. He's slaighty above average at it. People think he sucks because he's 6'3 playing SG, so there's no way he can possibly be good, but honestly the only players who torch him at elite SG's of the league like Kobe, Vince Carter, etc. His positives outweigh his negatives moreso than Salmons.

I value it as well as scoring. Salmons is a very good defender and I much prefer him to Deng as he's a better defender than Deng at SF and he's a much better scorer. The debate is Gordon vs Salmons as you said. Gordon is a better player though. His strength is offense and IMO, it far outweighs Salmons strength of defense. That's not to say Gordon sucks on defense because he doesn't. He hasn't sucked on defense since his 2nd year in the league. He's slaighty above average at it. People think he sucks because he's 6'3 playing SG, so there's no way he can possibly be good, but honestly the only players who torch him at elite SG's of the league like Kobe, Vince Carter, etc. His positives outweigh his negatives moreso than Salmons.

I will probably always disagree with you on Gordon's defense. He's not slightly above average, he's not even average, but thats for another time. However, if you think Salmons' biggest strength is his defense, then you are REALLY cutting his offensive abilities short. He averaged 18.3 ppg last year, shot great field goal percentages, has the ability to shoot 3's and also great driving ability. He scored 2 points less a game than Gordon and plays far superior defense. If Gordon's offense is a strength, than how is Salmons' not a strength as well? What are the "negatives" to Salmons' game? I don't think there is anything he can't do very well. If anything, the negative is that he's 29 and not 26.

F***.

F***.

You said it best...

 

Why the f*** couldn't be unload Hinrich's s*** contract? I know they wanted good value in return for Kirk, but seriously, he's a backup on our team. I would have been perfectly happy with us trading Kirk for nothing but expiring contracts. And with Salmons, Kirk's defensive ability (which is a big reason they like him so much) is less of a need than it was when all we had was Rose and Gordon guarding guys.

Edited July 1, 200916 yr by dasox24

I'm a bigger fan of Gordon than most, but my God, if Paxson signed him to a 5 year $55 million contract in February, everyone here would have demanded his head. He's a real nice scorer, but if Dumars thinks Gordon and Villenueva are going to take the Pistons back to the top, I have to laugh. Its one more team the Bullies should have no problem being better than the next couple of years.

BTW, Detroit isn't too high on Hamilton. They want to trade him for a big, but know Tayshaun has more value. Ideally they would trade RIP for Boozer, but god knows.

Hamilton for Tyrus Thomas and Brad Miller?

Nice to see him gone.

Ultimately, BG signing in Detroit allows us to definitely be a player in the 2010 FA market. I would much rather have a Bosh/Amare type than Ben Gordon. BG is player that can get you to the playoffs, but he can't help you win a championship IMO because he is a huge defensive liability. So we swap away 7 PPG with Hinrich instead of Gordon, you factor in Kirk's D that difference in scoring could be negligible because Kirk won't let the opponent score as much as Ben. I love Ben Gordon, but this team is better set up for a championship without him and that's the ultimate goal.

Edited July 2, 200916 yr by maggsmaggs