June 28, 200916 yr Someone requested a thread to stop polluting the game thread, so here it is. It has been circulating on various message boards all day, and, obviously, it's nothing official. 1.Nomar Garciaparra 2.Manny Ramirez 3.Johnny Damon 4.Trot Nixon 5. David Ortiz 6. Shea Hillenbrand 7. Derek Lowe 8. Pedro Martinez 9.Brian Roberts 10.Jay Gibbons 11.Melvin Mora 12.Jerry Hairston 13.Jason Giambi 14.Alfonso Soriano 15.Raul Mondesi 16. Aaron Boone 17.Andy Pettitte 18.Jose Contreras 19.Roger Clemens 20.Carlos Delgado 21.Vernon Wells 22.Frank Catalanotto 23.Kenny Rogers 24.Magglio Ordonez 25.Sandy Alomar 26.Bartolo Colon 27.Brent Abernathy 28. Jose Lima 29.Milton Bradley 30.Casey Blake 31.Danys Baez 32.Craig Monroe 33.Dmitri Young 34.Alex Sanchez 35.Eric Chavez 36.Miguel Tejada 37.Eric Byrnes 38.Jose Guillen 39.Keith Foulke 40.Ricardo Rincon 41.Bret Boone 42.Mike Cameron 43.Randy Winn 44.Ryan Franklin 45.Freddy Garcia 46.Rafael Soriano 47.Scott Spiezio 48.Troy Glaus 49.Francisco Rodriguez 50.Ben Weber 51.Alex Rodriguez 52.Juan Gonzalez 53.Rafael Palmeiro 54.Carl Everett 55.Javy Lopez 56.Gary Sheffield 57.Mike Hampton 58.Ivan Rodriguez 59.Derrek Lee 60.Bobby Abreu 61.Terry Adams 62.Fernando Tatis 63.Livan Hernandez 64.Hector Almonte 65.Tony Armas 66.Dan Smith 67.Roberto Alomar 68.Cliff Floyd 69.Roger Cedeno 70.Jeromy Burnitz 71.Moises Alou 72.Sammy Sosa 73.Corey Patterson 74.Carlos Zambrano 75.Mark Prior 76.Kerry Wood 77.Matt Clement 78.Antonio Alfonseca 79.Juan Cruz 80.Aramis Ramirez 81.Craig Wilson 82.Kris Benson 83.Richie Sexson 84.Geoff Jenkins 85.Valerio de los Santos 86.Benito Santiago 87.Rich Aurilia 88.Barry Bonds 89.Andres Galarraga 90.Jason Schmidt 91.Felix Rodriguez 92.Jason Christiansen 93.Matt Herges 94.Paul Lo Duca 95.Shawn Green 96.Jeromy Burnitz 97.Adrian Beltre 98.Eric Gagne 99.Guillermo Mota 100.Luis Gonzalez 101.Todd Helton 102.Ryan Klesko 103.Gary Matthews 104.Oliver Perez Edited June 28, 200916 yr by Buehrle>Wood
June 28, 200916 yr Didn't every White Sox player refuse to take the test in an attempt to trigger the new policy, thus causing them to count as positive tests? That would mean this list isn't accurate since there are only a couple of them on there.
June 28, 200916 yr Author QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 09:32 PM) Didn't every White Sox player refuse to take the test in an attempt to trigger the new policy, thus causing them to count as positive tests? That would mean this list isn't accurate since there are only a couple of them on there. They were forced to take the tests.
June 28, 200916 yr I'll wait for something a little more official. But it's about to get real ugly pretty soon. Pedro? Wow. Well forget about his 1999-2000 seasons being the most dominant I've seen in my 18 years as a hardcore baseball fan if this is legit.
June 28, 200916 yr From that list I'd say the most shocking is Helton as I recall him exploding about being suspected of roids. There are guys on that list that have been suspended, apologized, rumored positive tests, tied to BALCO, and tied to Jose Canseco. Who wants to group each guy accordingly?
June 28, 200916 yr Anyway...The best reason I can give for why this list is wrong? It's too obvious. How many no-names are on there? Where's the guys struggling to stay in the big leagues? Where's the Alex Sanchez type guys? There's only like 3-4 names on that whole list I don't recognize. Everyone else is someone who had a legit career. None of the guys on there are the bench guys who are just barely staying in the big leagues, or who made it for a couple years, or who were busted prospects, etc. Also, Jose Contreras only pitched 1/2 a season in 2003 for the Yankees. Was he in training camp with them? Most of the original 2003 tests were done in ST.
June 28, 200916 yr Ummm, Alex Sanchez is on the list. I think Jay Gibbons (suspended,) Brent Abnernathy, Dan Smith (?,) Terry Adams (way old,) and Jose Lima (was out of the league until the Royals picked him up midseason) meet those specs.
June 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 05:07 PM) Anyway...The best reason I can give for why this list is wrong? It's too obvious. How many no-names are on there? Where's the guys struggling to stay in the big leagues? Where's the Alex Sanchez type guys? There's only like 3-4 names on that whole list I don't recognize. Everyone else is someone who had a legit career. None of the guys on there are the bench guys who are just barely staying in the big leagues, or who made it for a couple years, or who were busted prospects, etc. Also, Jose Contreras only pitched 1/2 a season in 2003 for the Yankees. Was he in training camp with them? Most of the original 2003 tests were done in ST. If these were done in '03, why are there so few retired players on the list?
June 28, 200916 yr I didn't notice any Twins players from 2003 on the list, I might be wrong, but kudos to them and any other team, if there was any team that was clean.
June 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 02:11 PM) Ummm, Alex Sanchez is on the list. I think Jay Gibbons (suspended,) Brent Abnernathy, Dan Smith (?,) Terry Adams (way old,) and Jose Lima (was out of the league until the Royals picked him up midseason) meet those specs. I think you get my point though. If someone went through 2003 MLB rosters and picked everyone who had big performances or who were simply big guys, then threw in the few other names we already knew from the Mitchell Report list or previous positive tests, this is exactly the list you'd get.
June 28, 200916 yr Everett was crushing the ball with Texas in 2003 and was really out of shape in 2004. Just Sayin'. Not surprised some names on there of guys who are really injury prone, pitchers specifically: Jason Schmidt, Wood, Prior, and Hampton.
June 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) Also, Jose Contreras only pitched 1/2 a season in 2003 for the Yankees. Was he in training camp with them? Most of the original 2003 tests were done in ST. Contreras was indeed in the yankees training camp in 2003.
June 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 03:57 PM) From that list I'd say the most shocking is Helton as I recall him exploding about being suspected of roids. There are guys on that list that have been suspended, apologized, rumored positive tests, tied to BALCO, and tied to Jose Canseco. Who wants to group each guy accordingly? I remember Sammy Sosa freaking the f*** out when Reilly asked him to pee in a cup, and I also remember Raffy Palmeiro pointing his finger at congress adamantly denying he ever took steroids.
June 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 28, 2009 -> 02:31 PM) I'm with Balta, the name is too overloaded with big names. It certainly could be legit and I could be proven wrong easily, but I'm going to withhold acceptance until someone goes on the record, even if its a major media outlet with an anonymous source.
June 28, 200916 yr Jeromy Burnitz is listed twice unless he has a twin brother out there. But it is very interesting.
June 28, 200916 yr This cant be real not enough no namers, and burnitz wouldnt have been listed twice. This is probably just someone throwing 104 names on a list for fun.
June 28, 200916 yr Considering the lawsuit Clemens filed against his former trainer, I find it hard to believe he is on the list. The list in this thread is BS. There would be some minor leaguers for sure, and why is everyone who has been implicated since on the list? You would think a couple wouldn't be on there.
June 28, 200916 yr for reference, here's the mitchell list: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/12...EATURE.html#121
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