BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Stocking @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:10 PM) i really don't understand the logic that it is laying down by trying to swing for a hit. It's laying down by taking away an aspect of the game because you don't want to be "bush league." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:14 PM) I have seen way too many bunt attempts while a team is down by a grand slam or more to ever write it off. I would wager it happens several times a week, at the very least. Bunting, no matter how much i am against it, tend to be a a strength of a select group of players. I was just reading about a game recently (within the past two weeks) in which a team was being no hit, down by six, two outs in the seventh. That team went on to bunt, got the hit, and went on to score nine runs that inning, winning that game twelve to six. If it is a one run game at what point is it wrong to lay down a bunt? Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth? If it is a five run game at what point is it wrong to lay down a bunt? Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth? People say different things but it's really the 9th when it gets to be a big deal. This isn't something that happens that often. Teams being no-hit, in the 9th, bunting. Do it if you want but don't be surprised if you get drilled afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:11 PM) Cabrera is insanely fast, Speed is his best asset. It made sense for him to try to bunt for a hit, in fact, he seems to try it at least once per game. He has attempted seven bunts while reaching one time in 36 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:16 PM) I will do that, but tomorrow afternoon, go outside and tell me what color the sky is. How am I going to "show" you something like that? It's practically common knowledge. Type "bunt no hitter" into Google if you really want to find something. It still doesn't mean it's tradition. Tradition is like the 7th inning stretch, a curtain call after a huge home run, standing ovation for a pitcher after he has a great outing, etc., etc., etc. Not bunting to help a pitcher keep his no-no or PG isn't tradition. That's not how you play the game. You do what will help you and your team. Not what will make the other team and fans happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) It still doesn't mean it's tradition. Tradition is like the 7th inning stretch, a curtain call after a huge home run, standing ovation for a pitcher after he has a great outing, etc., etc., etc. Not bunting to help a pitcher keep his no-no or PG isn't tradition. That's not how you play the game. You do what will help you and your team. Not what will make the other team and fans happy. It hurts your argument when you have to argue semantics. Does your definition vs. my definition of "tradition" really have anything to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:21 PM) He has attempted seven bunts while reaching one time in 36 games. Damn you and your research, Qwerty ! Can't you let a massive generalization go unnoted ? Edited July 24, 2009 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:24 PM) It hurts your argument when you have to argue semantics. Does your definition vs. my definition of "tradition" really have anything to do with this? Well you certainly brought it up, don't blame me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) Well you certainly brought it up, don't blame me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Ha, wow, Obama's little pro-Buehrle stump speech. Although for some reason he doesn't seem to know who Dewayne "Weis" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:15 PM) I don't know, but this is baseball. Anything can happen. And I'm sure something similar has happened in the past. You get a bunt base hit, it carries over to the next batter he gets a hit, and a flury of hits come. In fact, Ozzie said in post game, after he saw that hit by Kapler, he was ready to call the bullpen to get Pena warmed. Lets say Kapler got a bunt single and Buehrle gets knocked out of his zone a bit. Then the next batter gets a dork snort or something. Ozzie then calls in Pena, and bam, the Rays offense wakes up. Anything can happen. So I can name many, many times where teams have had 5+ run rallies in the 9th inning without bunting to start it off, but you can't name any that started with a bunt, yet I am supposed to believe there is a significant enough chance of it happening to go against 110 years of baseball tradition. I'd really prefer you get out of the hypothetical, and give me some real evidence before I go discarding baseball's great history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) So I can name many, many times where teams have had 5+ run rallies in the 9th inning without bunting to start it off, but you can't name any that started with a bunt, yet I am supposed to believe there is a significant enough chance of it happening to go against 110 years of baseball tradition. I'd really prefer you get out of the hypothetical, and give me some real evidence before I go discarding baseball's great history. If i had a search function powerful enough that i could find out how many rallies of five runs or more started have started in the ninth inning via a bunt, i would be more than happy to do so. Baseball reference's player index is not even that powerful to my knowledge, nor is sabr. If it has happened even once, which i'm pretty certain it has, then right there is reason enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) So I can name many, many times where teams have had 5+ run rallies in the 9th inning without bunting to start it off, but you can't name any that started with a bunt, yet I am supposed to believe there is a significant enough chance of it happening to go against 110 years of baseball tradition. I'd really prefer you get out of the hypothetical, and give me some real evidence before I go discarding baseball's great history. Yep. In the 110 years of baseball and god only knows how many games there have been, there has never been a rally in the 9th started by a bunt. Please list all the rallies to comeback and win a game in the bottom of the 9th you know of that started off with a swinging hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I just saw the Phillies in the clubhouse reaction to Wise's catch. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Unreal. I've watched the MLB.com condensed game three times now and istill can't believe it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) Ha, wow, Obama's little pro-Buehrle stump speech. Although for some reason he doesn't seem to know who Dewayne "Weis" is. Well when the Bulls visited the white house, he told the front office/announcers in front of everyone: "These are MY bulls." (Pax, Wennington, Stacey King). So maybe he stopped watching sports as intently after the 90s. He's a little busy now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:17 PM) I just saw the Phillies in the clubhouse reaction to Wise's catch. Awesome. is it online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:17 PM) I just saw the Phillies in the clubhouse reaction to Wise's catch. Awesome. That is such a great clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:36 PM) is it online? I saw it on Baseball Tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Leave it to BearSox to start an argument in a thread about Mark Buehrle pitching a perfect game. On a side note, remember when Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 http://www.thefightins.com/meechone/the-ph...s-perfect-game/ Link to the Phils watching the Wise catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) Yep. In the 110 years of baseball and god only knows how many games there have been, there has never been a rally in the 9th started by a bunt. Please list all the rallies to comeback and win a game in the bottom of the 9th you know of that started off with a swinging hit. Like I said, you are the one speaking in theorheticals. All I have to do is go back two months to back myself up. What do you have that has actually happened? http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/arti...sp&c_id=cle http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?g...mp;mode=gameday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Princess Dye Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Thanks for posting that. Great stuff Eyre was briefly Mark's teammate in 00 i guess? Or were they call ups at separate times for the lefty role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxAce Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) LMFAO!!! Nice find. :cheers :headbang I love the Phillies players now. EDIT: SoxFan562004 gets the props! BOOO Heads. Edited July 24, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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