Chisoxfn Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 What the Sox Got In Return By Jason Gage SoxNet.net has looked to it's sister site, FutureSox.com to break down the youngsters heading to Chicago as part of the Thome and Contreras trades. Thome and Cash for Justin Fuller This move had more to do with financial savings and sending Thome to a contender than it did prospects. Fuller is a 26 year-old middle infielder who hasn't made it past high-a ball. Combine that with a career .244 average and we are talking about a pure organizational guy with zero upside. Jose Conteras for Cash and Brandon Hynick: The Sox got surprising value for Contreras. While I think every Sox fan owes Jose a thank-you for the 2005 season, we should also thank Kenny for acquiring Brandon Hynick. Hynick isn't a can't miss prospect and he might not pan out, but he is a guy that possesses an above average change-up, very good composure, and the ability to develop into a potential back of the rotation starter.More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 White Sox Trade Thome, Contreras By Mario Scalise SoxNet Following tonight's 4-1 loss, both Jim Thome and Jose Contreras have been traded in a final-hour waiver-wire deal; Thome to the Dodgers and Contreras to the Rockies. While Thome was of greater value to the Sox this season, it was actually Contreras who landed the Sox more in return. The White Sox received minor league right-handed pitcher Brandon Hynick, who in 26 starts (155 innings) posted a 3.83 ERA and a K/BB ratio of 92/48. Thome, and cash went to the Dodgers for minor league infielder Justin Fuller, who is 26 and in single-A. So essentially that deal was one to get Thome a chance to play in the playoffs. Surely the Dodgers weren't going to give a lot for a DH that will only serve as a pinch-hitter for them. First Reaction The White Sox traded two guys that really had no spot on the 2010 team, did so at the last possible moment, and landed themselves an above-average pitching prospect that could be fighting for a rotation spot in March. Both are good moves. Thome wasn't going to bring back any value unless an AL team expressed interest. As soon as the possibilities shifted to the NL, his value dropped. Contreras, meanwhile, still has an arm capable of shutting guys down, especially now in the NL against players who have had little little experience against him, if any at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Both guys will probably be headed to Charlotte to fill out their roster for the remainder of the season with rosters expanding. They won't be able to join any of the playoff teams. Edited September 1, 2009 by JPN366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 OK, I see how they got very damn good value for Contreras, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this Hynick guy will never turn into anything good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 12:32 AM) OK, I see how they got very damn good value for Contreras, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this Hynick guy will never turn into anything good. He could be a solid BP arm (Carrasco type role) a strong #4 type starter, or like you said.. nothing. I really like his arm though, his changeup is very good and he's very smart. Hopefully we can take him to some interleague play as well.. I like his chances though. Not too many pitchers pitch well in the PCL. BTW, nice article Jas. Edited September 1, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Josh Fields is on his way up to Charlotte, per Cowley. Cowley is also tweeting that Pods will get the bulk of the at bats at DH. However, I expect that will change as September wears on (if the Sox fall out further) and we'll see a lot more of T-Flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:35 PM) He could be a solid BP arm (Carrasco type role) a strong #4 type starter, or like you said.. nothing. I really like his arm though, his changeup is very good and he's very smart. Hopefully we can take him to some interleague play as well.. I like his chances though. Not too many pitchers pitch well in the PCL. BTW, nice article Jas. Thanks, I was gassed from a long day of work, but wanted to get at least a little something up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Apparently Hynick had a perfect game this year in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 01:38 AM) Josh Fields is on his way up to Charlotte, per Cowley. Cowley is also tweeting that Pods will get the bulk of the at bats at DH. However, I expect that will change as September wears on (if the Sox fall out further) and we'll see a lot more of T-Flow. Okay , I give. What or whos is a " T Flow "? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I am impressed we got anything for Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (wallyburger @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 06:58 AM) Okay , I give. What or whos is a " T Flow "? Its Flowers, he has a T Flow tat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 08:15 AM) Its Flowers, he has a T Flow tat. Thank you, but now I don't know who Flowers is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Panky Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (wallyburger @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 06:21 AM) Thank you, but now I don't know who Flowers is? Catcher from Charlotte. Tyler Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Hanky Panky @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 07:32 AM) Catcher from Charlotte. Tyler Flowers. The kid who might be our top prospect right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Good arcticles. Sad to see Thome go, but he's with a team that can make the playoffs and he really had no spot with the Sox in 2010. I like the Contreras deal. This pitcher in return has a potential good up side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I was quite impressed Kenny flipped Contreras for anything with any upside. Thome was dealt for absolutely nothing...I guess this opens up the door for Dye to DH next year, or possibly Flowers? If Konerko is on the team he remains at 1st base, because despite his lackluster ranger, he plays the position quite well otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Stunned we got anything for Jose. If this guy can be a fifth starter or middle reliever, it's a plus. But a 26 year old in A ball is a guy who will never see charlotte, much less Chicago. So it goes. Morel or Dayan will be the 3B eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (hogan873 @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 08:25 AM) Good arcticles. Sad to see Thome go, but he's with a team that can make the playoffs and he really had no spot with the Sox in 2010. I like the Contreras deal. This pitcher in return has a potential good up side. Incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:08 PM) Incorrect. i agree that Thome had no place in 2010. The offensive side of this team is going to see a dramatic shift next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hynick was going to be brought up by the Rockies in September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hynick sounds like he could be another Carlos Silva. Great value for Contreras because he looks like trade bait for a worthwhile player. The Thome deal makes a ton of sense because the Sox can now offer him a market-value FA contract during the FA period, so they don't have to worry about denying arb and losing him should Thome want to test the market. This move actually increases the likelihood of Thome coming back, and of course it will be great for Thome if he can get to the playoffs again. But what I don't understand is why organizational minor leaguers are exchanged in these things. I know it's all for show so the stupid fans think they got something in return, but is it really so important to do that? It's the same as in the Carlos Lee deal where we got Pods and Vizcaino, but then some organizational guy was a throw-in to make it seem better. Kind of pointless IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 Kind of cool, but the first article was linked by Scott Reifert. http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/ http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/sports/200...-to-soxnet.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Kind of cool, but the first article was linked by Scott Reifert. http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/ http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/sports/200...-to-soxnet.html I knew I liked Scott for a reason... he has good taste in webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Don't know if this was already said but the LA Times reports the Sox picked up $1.4M of Thome's remaining $2.4M salary. At least we saved SOME money. The DBacks paid ALL of Garlands remaining 2009 salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 The funny thing is I heard Keith Law saying that the Contreras move would have the biggest impact on a contender and in a positive way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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