DaTank Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 1. We got 26 year old High-A SS Justin Fuller for him. AND we sent money to LA. 2. He's a complete class act. He didn't deserve to go just because Kenny was pissed. 3. We should've traded Dye instead. IMO, we should have kept Thome for next season as a middle-of-the-order LH bat. 4. We could have kept him one more year and had him retire as a member of the White Sox. That would have been nice seeing as he's one of the best LH power-hitters of all time. 5. I'll miss you Big Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) 1. Thome is getting a favor from the Sox to compete in the playoffs 2. Thome is a FA after the season and is coming off a huge, outdated contract that does not reflect his performance. The choice would have been to offer a small amount, waaaaay below the arb figure, and hope he decides against testing the market to re-up with us, or else let the negotiation window close, deny arb, and lose him for good. By trading him we get around this. Actually it is about 1000X easier to bring Thome back for 2010 now. 3. Kenny wants to make a statement to other players that he'll follow through with his word. Those are just off the top of my head, but there may be more reasons. Edited September 1, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:49 PM) 1. We got 26 year old High-A SS Justin Fuller for him. AND we sent money to LA. 2. He's a complete class act. He didn't deserve to go just because Kenny was pissed. 3. We should've traded Dye instead. IMO, we should have kept Thome for next season as a middle-of-the-order LH bat. 4. We could have kept him one more year and had him retire as a member of the White Sox. That would have been nice seeing as he's one of the best LH power-hitters of all time. 5. I'll miss you Big Jim. it was a favor to Thome. Its clear we weren't going to pick up his option and likely weren't going to resign him next year. I know Kenny told Jim about the dodgers the day before the trade and Thome talked to Coletti the night before about it. I'm fairly certain it was Thome's option. It was a nice thing for Kenny to do, and it alleviates the current OF logjam and allows us to take a look at youngsters like flowers in september. I also think Fields deserves another look at 3b, and hope the Organization looks at beckham at middle IF during september. Edited September 1, 2009 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Well #2 is where you miss the whole point. Jim Thome gained 12 games in the standings last night. He went from a team that's 6 games out of the playoffs to a team that's 6 up. He has a much better chance of getting his ring with the Dodgers than he did the Sox. The trade was made as a favor to Thome, the class act that he is. This also changes nothing in terms of 2010, Thome will be a free agent at year's end free to sign with the Sox if the 2 sides see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 We traded him because (1) we're not going to contend and (2) the Dodgers are. What better way to help Thome finally get a ring than to trade him to a team that has a good shot? Dye's contract apparently stipulates that his $12 million option for next year becomes automatic if he's dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) Well #2 is where you miss the whole point. Jim Thome gained 12 games in the standings last night. He went from a team that's 6 games out of the playoffs to a team that's 6 up. He has a much better chance of getting his ring with the Dodgers than he did the Sox. The trade was made as a favor to Thome, the class act that he is. This also changes nothing in terms of 2010, Thome will be a free agent at year's end free to sign with the Sox if the 2 sides see fit. Thome supposedly had talked with the Dodgers directly as early as yesterday morning, so I think it's very possible if not likely that Kenny talked to Thome about the arb situation before the trade and explained matters from the Sox perspective. Thome doesn't have a lot of options and the Sox organization still seems to love him. He's still productive and a great veteran presence and clubhouse influence, which will be even more important now that Dye and maybe even Konerko are out the door. I think there's a very good chance he's back with us next year, especially since Thome still wants to play in Chicago or Cleveland, and Cleveland isn't going to be doing anything for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 We also want to give Tyler Flowers some more ABs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Why? Because Kenny Williams hates jenks45monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 11:59 PM) Thome supposedly had talked with the Dodgers directly as early as yesterday morning, so I think it's very possible if not likely that Kenny talked to Thome about the arb situation before the trade and explained matters from the Sox perspective. Thome doesn't have a lot of options and the Sox organization still seems to love him. He's still productive and a great veteran presence and clubhouse influence, which will be even more important now that Dye and maybe even Konerko are out the door. I think there's a very good chance he's back with us next year, especially since Thome still wants to play in Chicago or Cleveland, and Cleveland isn't going to be doing anything for a while. All the speculation about Thome being back next year is just that total speculation. Thome talked with the Dodgers after knowing they wanted to trade for him and he told them he coulf not physuically play 1B anymore. I do wonder if he could as an emergency or some similar reason? I do buy the idea the Sox are hoping to give Jim Thome a chance to play in a World Series again and traded him to LA when we failed to get into position for a run at it ourselves. My speculation is that Jim T will not be abck here in a Sox uniform in 2010 regardless if he is a great guy or not, which he is for sure. The Sox will rebuild and we may obviously see more changes. Dye may be gone as well as Konerko and we will see some pitching changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 From one article, Thome was talking to Torre the night before. So this is not something that the Sox did to him in a vacuum. I am sure they discussed it and allowed him to discuss his role with LAD if he was dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 06:06 PM) All the speculation about Thome being back next year is just that total speculation. Thome talked with the Dodgers after knowing they wanted to trade for him and he told them he coulf not physuically play 1B anymore. I do wonder if he could as an emergency or some similar reason? I do buy the idea the Sox are hoping to give Jim Thome a chance to play in a World Series again and traded him to LA when we failed to get into position for a run at it ourselves. My speculation is that Jim T will not be abck here in a Sox uniform in 2010 regardless if he is a great guy or not, which he is for sure. The Sox will rebuild and we may obviously see more changes. Dye may be gone as well as Konerko and we will see some pitching changes. You could be correct and maybe Thome never is back with us, but we're going to have to find another big lefty bat then. I don't see the pitching changing much. The rotation is set with Peavy-Buehrle-Floyd-Danks-Freddy and Hudson as the 6th starter/emergency guy. I imagine he'll come out of the pen, but maybe he starts the year in Charlotte as insurance. I do think the bullpen gets one new guy, probably another righty setup man to replace Dotel (not even Kenny can trust Pena in that role), and then instead of getting a reliable secondary lefty, Kenny will instead sign a bunch of AAAA blowhards to compete for the spot in the ST like he did going into the 2006 season. Maybe this is the year we get Figgins - although if he wants 4+ years I hope we stay out of the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 07:04 PM) Why? Because Kenny Williams hates jenks45monster. Also, because he touches himself at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 06:18 PM) Also, because he touches himself at night. Carlos Quentin is touched by God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I've never seen a question answered so thoroughly and repeatedly in such a short time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 We will miss his bat when the playoffs roll around....no question about it. I just hope we still have enough offense to bring another World Series championship to the south side this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Quite simply, we sucked with him, so why not suck without him and give him a chance at a ring? Heck, one of the selling points to Jim when he was with the Phillies was that KW promised him he would be given every chance to compete for a ring. This year, the Sox have no chance and KW sees such with Jim's window closing. So we traded him to a legit contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:29 PM) We will miss his bat when the playoffs roll around....no question about it. I just hope we still have enough offense to bring another World Series championship to the south side this season. lolz Anyways, think of it as us getting Hynick for Thome and nothing for Contreras.. we shouldn't have gotten anything for either but hey, maybe he can be something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 KW knows that we will be facing the Dodgers in the World Series, and this way Thome will get a ring no matter which way the series goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:52 PM) KW knows that we will be facing the Dodgers in the World Series, and this way Thome will get a ring no matter which way the series goes. So why not just keep him then instead of giving him away?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 trade don't make too much sense.. i just think he is fed up with dye/thome/konerko as 3-4-5 and thome was the easiest to move at the last minute with the dye's/pks contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (T R U @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) So why not just keep him then instead of giving him away?!?!?! Because he would not get a ring if the Dodgers win, silly. (Apparently we will give him a ring if we win even though he will no longer be on our team when we win). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 It wasn't a trade; it was basically a release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:57 PM) Because he would not get a ring if the Dodgers win, silly. (Apparently we will give him a ring if we win even though he will no longer be on our team when we win). Ahh thank you for making it clear for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) Well #2 is where you miss the whole point. Jim Thome gained 12 games in the standings last night. He went from a team that's 6 games out of the playoffs to a team that's 6 up. He has a much better chance of getting his ring with the Dodgers than he did the Sox. The trade was made as a favor to Thome, the class act that he is. This also changes nothing in terms of 2010, Thome will be a free agent at year's end free to sign with the Sox if the 2 sides see fit. avy what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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