chisoxfan09 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 that might be one of the reasons why kenny might not be going after someone like agon i think, because even if we have the money, the sox never go past 5 yrs and super star players nowadays want 8 years Mel, just look at the incredible success the Cubs are havin with Soriano's mega-deal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:36 PM) Mel, just look at the incredible success the Cubs are havin with Soriano's mega-deal!! lol i know. when we signed pk for 5 yrs we thought it was great, now look, we wish he was gone already lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 would the new GM of the padres trade away the team's best player to his old boss as his first big deal? If so, he'd better come out smelling like a rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:35 PM) would the new GM of the padres trade away the team's best player to his old boss as his first big deal? If so, he'd better come out smelling like a rose. If (and when) Adrian becomes a Red Sox, I hope SD rapes their farm and Clay Buchholz pitches like an absolute beast for them for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:37 PM) If (and when) Adrian becomes a Red Sox, I hope SD rapes their farm and Clay Buchholz pitches like an absolute beast for them for years to come. It's definitely a dicey situation for Hoyer, but guys like him don't get to where they are without thinking of this s*** themselves. I'm sure if he does deal Adrian, it'll be because it's an offer he cannot refuse. He doesn't have to be in any hurry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) It's definitely a dicey situation for Hoyer, but guys like him don't get to where they are without thinking of this s*** themselves. I'm sure if he does deal Adrian, it'll be because it's an offer he cannot refuse. He doesn't have to be in any hurry... With that rotation and if they get Beltre and Adrian that team will be scary good, have plus defenders in multiple positions and a great offense/pitchingstaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:35 PM) would the new GM of the padres trade away the team's best player to his old boss as his first big deal? If so, he'd better come out smelling like a rose. did he leave on good or bad terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I posted on thesportingnews.com yesterday that I think Hoyer should try and extend Gonzalez. Accelerate his salary. Instead of $5M the next couple years he gets 2010 $15M 2011 $15M 2012 $20M 2013 $20M 2014 $25M He's a franchise player and those don't come around that often. You would strengthen your fan base too. SD fans probably hate the thought of trading him even if it means good players in return. If Hoyer does trade him I would ask for Lester and Buckholz. They want one of my best young players? They have to give me one of theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) I posted on thesportingnews.com yesterday that I think Hoyer should try and extend Gonzalez. Accelerate his salary. Instead of $5M the next couple years he gets 2010 $15M 2011 $15M 2012 $20M 2013 $20M 2014 $25M He's a franchise player and those don't come around that often. You would strengthen your fan base too. SD fans probably hate the thought of trading him even if it means good players in return. If Hoyer does trade him I would ask for Lester and Buckholz. They want one of my best young players? They have to give me one of theirs. They don't have the money to do that. That's why Peavy is on our team right now, because they were forced to cut payroll to $40 million. Even if they could do that, they'd be giving him $19.5 million over the next few years over what his contract states, making the deal you're proposing basically a 3-year, $85 million dollar deal. Those are ARod numbers. He's got to put together a about 3-4 more seasons like last year before he can even discuss that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...ticleid=1219502 Not likely to happen between Bos and SD right now. Apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...ticleid=1219502 Not likely to happen between Bos and SD right now. Apparently. i saw this hmm KW needs to jump on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattchoo Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (beckham15 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:25 PM) i saw this hmm KW needs to jump on it! Sometime this evening, before even reading that article, I came to the sad conclusion that there is almost no chance that the White Sox can trade for Adrian Gonzalez. This article out of Boston sums up that it would basically be the new GM hanging himself if he were to trade Adrian Gonzalez without getting an incredible package in return. Do we have the type of assets to put together such an insane package? Sure. But the only way I can even fathom such a package that would make us able to acquire him is if it included Beckham with 2 top prospects. We are obviously not going to do that because most of our fans and our entire front office view Beckham as the possible future face of the franchise. I don't even think Carlos Quentin and prospects for Adrian Gonzalez would be the value that the new Padres GM would want, although I personally think that CQ's offense production has the potential of being better than Gonzo's. I can continue to dream that our package of Flowers, Danks or Mitchell, and two other of our top tier prospects would be enough, but I really think the Padres GM would need to get some type of name back in the deal to be able to hold his head up in front of his fan base. None of the Padres fans know those names. They may know of Beckham though . I brought this up before, but what about trading Alexei? His production based on his contract is pretty decent. He isn't a big name though. It would also open up a hole at 2B/SS, but aren't there a few players on the open market still that could fill that void? Oh well... I need to move on from all Gonzo. It feels like any thought on it is a waste of time....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (beckham15 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:25 PM) i saw this hmm KW needs to jump on it! Who says he isnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Can we change the thread title because I am tired of this being bumped with zero White Sox News...thanks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well Quentin's not really a part of this thing in that he doesnt provide a team like SD with longterm savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Next year would be an ideal time to get Gonzo. The asking price will be lower and the Sox will have an opening for him. Also I just don't see anyone ponying up for him while the price is so high, so he may very well still be with SD going into next offseason. However, if the Yankees sign Holliday, I think the R Sox bite the bullet and just make the trade happen, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:58 PM) Can we change the thread title because I am tired of this being bumped with zero White Sox News...thanks.... especially since agon isnt coming here for various reasons.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 This should be the AGon wet dream thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 10:56 PM) Who says he isnt? Rock, you scare me, in a good way. I find myself hanging on your every word after your recent (and past) track record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) The reason is because we have maybe 4 or 5 good players in our farm system, and the rest is absolute junk. When you look at our roster, we have a handful of players that are likely on their way out in a year or two. Since we're never competitive in the FA market, there's going to have to be guys like Flowers and Viciedo that step into a starting role. Absolutley...not only that, you need a little depth in the farm system to be able to supplement your roster during the year when injuries, slumps etc happen. This isn't fanatasy league, people. What makes more sense, to me, is to involve a third team and explore dealing Mark Buehrle. This way, whoever gets Mark surrenders the prospects to SD, we free up $14 million in salary, and we get something for a great pitcher, but one whose skills may be in decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (chisoxt @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:19 AM) What makes more sense, to me, is to involve a third team and explore dealing Mark Buehrle. This way, whoever gets Mark surrenders the prospects to SD, we free up $14 million in salary, and we get something for a great pitcher, but one whose skills may be in decline. There's a couple who have said it on this board, and some analyst out there and I'll just echo their statements. We will NEVER get the kind of return that we should for Mark Buehrle. And if Mark Buehrle is ever traded (or left in whatever way)... I'd probably be alot more pissed (or pretty much ever) then when Frank left us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Doesn't Mark have no trade - yeah, he's 5 and 10, right? He'd probably only accept the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (chisoxt @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:19 AM) Absolutley...not only that, you need a little depth in the farm system to be able to supplement your roster during the year when injuries, slumps etc happen. This isn't fanatasy league, people. What makes more sense, to me, is to involve a third team and explore dealing Mark Buehrle. This way, whoever gets Mark surrenders the prospects to SD, we free up $14 million in salary, and we get something for a great pitcher, but one whose skills may be in decline. So this isn't fantasy land? You could have fooled me when you started talking about trading the face of the franchise after a down season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:59 AM) There's a couple who have said it on this board, and some analyst out there and I'll just echo their statements. We will NEVER get the kind of return that we should for Mark Buehrle. And if Mark Buehrle is ever traded (or left in whatever way)... I'd probably be alot more pissed (or pretty much ever) then when Frank left us. Also throw in that Buehrle negotiated his deal to essentially make him untradeable, since if he's traded he get's $19 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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