Felix Hernandez

Justin Verlander

Josh Johnson

Yovani Gallardo

Jon Lester

Brett Anderson

Ricky Nolasco

 

What do these guys have in common? They've all signed multi-year extensions in the last year. Other than Nolasco and maybe Anderson, everybody on that list is better than John Danks. I don't want to trade Danks. But if he's as determined to test the FA market as it appears, there's really no other option. I don't want draft picks. As I don't trust the franchise to properly utilize them anyway. My question is at what point do you legitimately look to deal John assuming there's no agreement on an extension? You could obviously get more for him now since he's under control for two more years. Do you ride it out this year, attempt to get a deal done next offseason, then trade him if you can't get one done? This concerns me very much. If we have to trade him I want the absolute max that we could get back. And the more time that goes by the harder and harder it will become to do that.

Ride it out. I am confident a deal will get done. And with Mark and Edwin coming off the books, it frees up the necessary funds to re-sign Danks.

Edited December 20, 201015 yr by maggsmaggs

At least in my calculation, I include the "2 years of a fairly affordable John Danks" as another benefit. If we stay in contention, the calculation is:

 

No trade:

John Danks in rotation

2 draft picks when he walks

 

Trade:

Open space in rotation, no Danks

Fair number of young players, hopefully 50% of which pan out.

 

I think my answer is...I trade him when either someone pays a ton for him, or when the Sox fall out of the race.

Felix Hernandez

Justin Verlander

Josh Johnson

Yovani Gallardo

Jon Lester

Brett Anderson

Ricky Nolasco

 

What do these guys have in common? They've all signed multi-year extensions in the last year. Other than Nolasco and maybe Anderson, everybody on that list is better than John Danks. I don't want to trade Danks. But if he's as determined to test the FA market as it appears, there's really no other option. I don't want draft picks. As I don't trust the franchise to properly utilize them anyway. My question is at what point do you legitimately look to deal John assuming there's no agreement on an extension? You could obviously get more for him now since he's under control for two more years. Do you ride it out this year, attempt to get a deal done next offseason, then trade him if you can't get one done? This concerns me very much. If we have to trade him I want the absolute max that we could get back. And the more time that goes by the harder and harder it will become to do that.

 

What's more important? Maximizing the return in terms of talent back or maximizing the return in terms of production to the major league club? Given the "all in" approach to 2011, I think you have to ride it out and try to sign a reasonable extension. If it does not work, then look at trading him at the deadline (if the team is out of it) or next offseason. While the return in terms of prospects will be less, it should be balanced with return in terms of potential to win MLB games.

Trade him at the deadline if you can end up getting a team to overpay and you're out of it. Trade him next offseason if he doesn't resign an extension.

I do not want to give this guy up. In fact, I see much more potential in him than I do in say.. Floyd for example. He also ditched Scott Boras so his price tag will not as insane when that time comes. I'm also confident something will get done from him. In fact.. I wouldn't be surprised if the sox give him a Buehrle type deal when Mark is off the books (well his contract, hopefully he will still stay for cheaper when he's a FA, but thats another topic).

If you trade him it'll be at the '12 trade deadline (assuming youre out of it)

Going into '11 and probably '12, Danks is our #1 starter.

 

Danks and his agent know this, so why should he sign an extension unless it's for Ace money?

You get his services for 2 years, probably 2 draft picks if he goes elsewhere and can use the money it will take to extend him on someone else if necessary. You don't have to trade him, unless you're planning on not winning, then trading him makes a lot of sense. Milwaukee just gave up 4 pretty good prospects to pick up a pitcher in the same boat because they are trying to win.

Edited December 21, 201015 yr by Dick Allen

I think my answer is...I trade him when either someone pays a ton for him,

This. If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for him, than fine, if not than I'll gladly hold onto him until he tests the market.

If you can get a package like the Royals just got from Grienke, then we can talk.

I think we take a "wait and see approach" for the time being. There's really no way to say when we trade him at this point. Even if we're out of contention by the All-Star break, the reasons might be injury related and a 2012 push might still be realistic. Really, who knows.

 

I'm confident a deal will get done. From all I can tell the Sox and Danks have a good relationship, and the Sox have a good history of extending players they want to.

I just don't see any way that we could be bad enough for Kenny to throw in the towel....something dreadfully wrong would have to happen. I guess I could forsee a scenario by which Kenny gets someone he really likes that is close, and another very, very good player. But otherwise, given the commitment we've made in dollars this season, I just don't see the team being in a position where trading a player like Danks for salary relief and to go younger would happen.

 

That simply isn't the direction we are going in anymore.

I just don't see any way that we could be bad enough for Kenny to throw in the towel....something dreadfully wrong would have to happen. I guess I could forsee a scenario by which Kenny gets someone he really likes that is close, and another very, very good player. But otherwise, given the commitment we've made in dollars this season, I just don't see the team being in a position where trading a player like Danks for salary relief and to go younger would happen.

 

That simply isn't the direction we are going in anymore.

I agree with this. It isn't impossible, but I can't imagine it being for salary relief.

You trade him only if in the next two years the White Sox are not a contender. The window is now.

Felix Hernandez

Justin Verlander

Josh Johnson

Yovani Gallardo

Jon Lester

Brett Anderson

Ricky Nolasco

 

What do these guys have in common? They've all signed multi-year extensions in the last year. Other than Nolasco and maybe Anderson, everybody on that list is better than John Danks. I don't want to trade Danks. But if he's as determined to test the FA market as it appears, there's really no other option. I don't want draft picks. As I don't trust the franchise to properly utilize them anyway. My question is at what point do you legitimately look to deal John assuming there's no agreement on an extension? You could obviously get more for him now since he's under control for two more years. Do you ride it out this year, attempt to get a deal done next offseason, then trade him if you can't get one done? This concerns me very much. If we have to trade him I want the absolute max that we could get back. And the more time that goes by the harder and harder it will become to do that.

Sox are throwing around money....then their "tapped out".....then Crain gets 3/$13M as a reliever. Floyd got/Danks offered 4/$14 (while asked to throw 200+ innings. Danks has been a workhorse the last four years....and is still only 25. If the Sox want to underappreciate him, Im sure he feels its best to ride out his years here and move on.

If we stay in contention, the calculation is:

 

I think my answer is...I trade him when either someone pays a ton for him, or when the Sox fall out of the race.

Trade him at the deadline if you can end up getting a team to overpay and you're out of it.

If you trade him it'll be at the '12 trade deadline (assuming youre out of it)

 

You don't have to trade him, unless you're planning on not winning, then trading him makes a lot of sense.

Even if we're out of contention by the All-Star break, the reasons might be injury related and a 2012 push might still be realistic. Really, who knows.

You trade him only if in the next two years the White Sox are not a contender. The window is now.

 

What the hell? You guys act like we're not going to win the AL Central this year. WE'RE ALL IN. Didn't you get the memo??

 

Seriously though... I'd be on board with trading him if we could get a Greinke-like haul like the Royals did, but I really don't anticipate the Sox being far enough out of it to start dumping players... not for the next couple of years.

What the hell? You guys act like we're not going to win the AL Central this year. WE'RE ALL IN. Didn't you get the memo??

After the first 2 months of last year where everyone and their grandmother underperformed, I'm not counting anything until I see the W's.

After the first 2 months of last year where everyone and their grandmother underperformed, I'm not counting anything until I see the W's.

 

We couldn't possibly start the season off as bad as we did last year. At least I hope we don't.

 

I still think there's a possibility of more major moves coming before the season starts - ESPECIALLY if Peavy looks like he can contribute early in the season. I think KW might take advantage of the Yankees pitching deficiency and fleece them.

I agree with this. It isn't impossible, but I can't imagine it being for salary relief.

 

We did it in 2005...

We did it in 2005...

BUT....we were also in a position where that salary relief could be immediately re-invested in a trio of players that the market was undervaluing...Iguchi, AJ, and Hermanson.

BUT....we were also in a position where that salary relief could be immediately re-invested in a trio of players that the market was undervaluing...Iguchi, AJ, and Hermanson.

 

I'm pretty sure those guys all weren't signed immediately after the trade. Hermanson was signed before the trade, Aj was signed a month later, and Tada was signed a month and a half afterwards.

And Dye, and El Duque....amazing to think back that Takatsu was a closer at the start of that season with his "frisbee"

I just don't see any way that we could be bad enough for Kenny to throw in the towel....something dreadfully wrong would have to happen. I guess I could forsee a scenario by which Kenny gets someone he really likes that is close, and another very, very good player. But otherwise, given the commitment we've made in dollars this season, I just don't see the team being in a position where trading a player like Danks for salary relief and to go younger would happen.

 

That simply isn't the direction we are going in anymore.

 

That depends on how economically viable the current team salary is beyond this year. If the Sox look like a .500 team in late July and gate revenue is mediocre, can they afford to be "all in" in 2012, or will they have to cut back at some point in the near future? If they need to dump salary, it'll be rebuilding time (or, at the very least, heavy "retooling" time) because they don't have a ton of ultra-cheap, high-tier prospects to develop at this point. In that scenario, Danks is the first guy that you deal. That said, with the salary commitments this off-season, my guess is that Kenny's window probably extends through 2012.

 

FWIW, I thought for sure that they were going to cut back this year, and they did just the opposite. Shows what I know.

 

Let's think positive and know that KW is still trying to sign Danks long term

What the hell? You guys act like we're not going to win the AL Central this year. WE'RE ALL IN. Didn't you get the memo??

 

Seriously though... I'd be on board with trading him if we could get a Greinke-like haul like the Royals did, but I really don't anticipate the Sox being far enough out of it to start dumping players... not for the next couple of years.

I'd be pissed if I was a Royals fan right now. They got no impact talent. Only guys who might be okay every day players for a Cy Young talent pitcher who the Royals didn't have to trade right now.