Can't work up the enthusiasm to see Taking Back Sunday in Des Moines. Their new album is just far too meh for me.

I can't speak to any modern incarnations of pop punk, but it was a powerhouse genre that followed right on the heels of the original punk movement (which really was never as far removed from pop as the original punks wanted to think it was). Buzzcocks were total pop punk and they were very relevant and worth paying attention to. And xtc in particular — one of my all-time favorites — began as a loud, shrill, but strangely fun pop punk band.

 

This was also what I wanted to say, but kudos to you for saying it in a much less douchey way than I managed to.

This was also what I wanted to say, but kudos to you for saying it in a much less douchey way than I managed to.

 

I just read your post. Douchey perhaps, but very well-informed. On this side of the Atlantic, the Ramones are the quintessential example of "punks" that never got very far away from pop at all. And bless 'em for it.

I just read your post. Douchey perhaps, but very well-informed. On this side of the Atlantic, the Ramones are the quintessential example of "punks" that never got very far away from pop at all. And bless 'em for it.

 

Definitely -- the Ramones certainly had pop sensibilities.

 

The snarky tone was because I just wrote a huge term paper on a closely related subject last spring (but that was more about the political ideologies, or lackthereof, of different eras/types of musicians -- specifically blues, folk/counterculture, and punk), so those quotes I pulled were from books I read for that.

Definitely -- the Ramones certainly had pop sensibilities.

 

The snarky tone was because I just wrote a huge term paper on a closely related subject last spring (but that was more about the political ideologies, or lackthereof, of different eras/types of musicians -- specifically blues, folk/counterculture, and punk), so those quotes I pulled were from books I read for that.

 

douche.

 

 

the pop punk of the 00s is more accurately described as a suburbanite's self-vindication thru song that being a white suburbanite is the hardest thing on earth. I stayed away.

I saw Cameron Crowe's "Pearl Jam Twenty" documentary last night on Channel 11. Liked it. Learned stuff.

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I saw Cameron Crowe's "Pearl Jam Twenty" documentary last night on Channel 11. Liked it. Learned stuff.

Yes, very glad I spent the time to watch that.

yeah it was really good, pick up the book too if you get a chance, a lot of great stuff in there. I don't know if this is true or not but the blu-ray has 4 hrs of un-seen footage.

in general, the documentary form I feel is really taking off.

Lupe Fiasco mixtape comes out on Thanksgiving. I'm pretty pumped, but the first song off the mixtape is another political song. I'm not always a fan of his political songs, it's somewhat uncomfortable to listen to.

As a rule, we're always supposed to applaud the collapse of the record industry. We are supposed to feel good about the democratization of music and the limitless palette upon which artists can now operate. But that collapse is why Lulu exists. If we still lived in the radio prison of 1992, do you think Metallica would purposefully release an album that no one wants? No way. Cliff Burnstein from Q Prime Management would listen to their various ideas, stroke his white beard, and deliver the following 45-second pep talk: "OK, great. Love these concepts. Your allusion to Basquiat's middle period was very apt, Lars. Incisive! But here's our situation. If you guys spend two months writing superfast Diamond Head songs about nuclear winter and shape-shifting, we can earn $752 million in 18 months, plus merchandizing. That's option A. The alternative is that you can make a ponderous, quasi-ironic art record about 'the lexicon of hate' that will outrage the Village Voice and mildly impress Laurie Anderson. Your call."

 

Chuck Klosterman on the travesty that is the Lou Reed / Metallica album.

Chuck Klosterman on the travesty that is the Lou Reed / Metallica album.

 

You cut short a pretty important line that sinks his whole argument, imo:

 

But if the fundamental goal of Metallica is to make good music, it seems like trying to get rich while doing so dramatically improves their creative process

 

Monetary success and high-quality are not linked in any way, shape or form in the music industry. To paraphrase the article: "But we don't live in a vacuum. We live on Earth. And that means we have to accept the real-life consequences of a culture in which recorded music is primarily about profits for record companies, and one of those consequences is [Hanson/Britney Spears/Beiber etc.].

You cut short a pretty important line that sinks his whole argument, imo:

 

 

 

Monetary success and high-quality are not linked in any way, shape or form in the music industry. To paraphrase the article: "But we don't live in a vacuum. We live on Earth. And that means we have to accept the real-life consequences of a culture in which recorded music is primarily about profits for record companies, and one of those consequences is [Hanson/Britney Spears/Beiber etc.].

 

Dramatically improves their creative process

well I don't think it's particularly clear if he's talking only about Metallica in that paragraph or the larger music industry in general and is using Metallica is an example.

 

It also ignores that Metallica produced garbage albums pre-industry collapse.

But if the fundamental goal of Metallica is to make good music, it seems like trying to get rich while doing so dramatically improves their creative process

well I don't think it's particularly clear if he's talking only about Metallica in that paragraph or the larger music industry in general and is using Metallica is an example.

 

It also ignores that Metallica produced garbage albums pre-industry collapse.

He was absolutely talking about Metallica, and just Metallica, in that statement.

Dramatically improves their creative process

 

But they produced crappy albums when they were just trying to cash in. So it's not even correlation, let alone causation.

 

Aaaaand here's History of Rap, Part 3 from Fallon and Timberlake. I'm about to run so I can't watch it now, but considering the awesomeness of the first two, I have high hopes.

Britney Spears needs to cover up her fatness in concert.

Roger Waters is bringing "The Wall" tour to Wrigley next June 8

Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album?

 

Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though.

Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album?

 

Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though.

 

I have not heard it yet. I have been so out of touch with music nowadays...... and every thing else I once loved. LOL

Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album?

 

Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though.

 

I was listening to it online last night. Strange combo of them w/Rihanna, too. All in all, pretty decent album.

Britney Spears needs to cover up her fatness in concert.

 

Ain't gonna lie...I'd still hit it.