witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) All I can say is what the fudge? Oh, and yes I know that it has already been talked about in the catch-all. This is newsworthy enough that it deserves its own thread. Edited January 26, 2011 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Is Kyle Drabek included? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) Is Kyle Drabek included? Neither Rosenthal nor Heyman has mentioned his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Oh wow. Angels got desperate I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Trading Drabek to shed Wells' salary is a fireable offense. You don't trade the best pitcher in the game in Halladay and get back a prized SP prospect to send him off a year later just to shed salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) Trading Drabek to shed Wells' salary is a fireable offense. You don't trade the best pitcher in the game in Halladay and get back a prized SP prospect to send him off a year later just to shed salary. Just when AA was doing well, he makes a really weird and fire-able move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I don't think Kyle Drabek has been mentioned anywhere but Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Assuming that Drabek isn't involved, it seems like a bad deal for the Angels unless the Jays are sending a lot of money back. Edited January 22, 2011 by JorgeFabregas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 He will be a decent player in LA if it happens. If Drabek isn't included, it's an auto-win for Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 yeah, no other mentions of Drabek, so don't think he's going... weird move by Angels, I know they're a big revenue team and they completely struck out this season, but it's like 80m for 4 years left on that deal, will be interesting to see what Jays are sending in $$$ if anything. This might be a stretch, but any way we hear a Pujols extension with Cards is done in the next week? Possibly Angels heard it's near, who knows, just throwing stuff at the wall because as it is this is strange and as Heyman pointed out Wells is a better hitter at home than on the road and it was significant last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 damn...I guess desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 That is an absolutely TON of money saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) That is an absolutely TON of money saved. yup, looks like zero money is exchanging hands, so 86 for Wells and about 11 for the two going, so 75m Angels are now on the hook for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 All I can say right now is that I'm glad I'm not an Angels fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 OK, little update, looks like the Jays will be sending 5m in the deal, still a great deal for the Jays IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wow. Win Toronto just for getting rid of that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Tony Reagins should be put in witness protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I didn't think anyone would take Wells' awful contract. Toronto has done well moving both Rios (though they got nothing back) and Wells contracts the last couple of years to help them financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well the crazy part is that Toronto got better in this deal. Haven't looked, but I doubt that Rivera is good defensively, and Snider is probably average, but Davis is fast enough that he should be above average in CF. Rivera is a league average, perhaps a little above league average LF offensively, but the real win is Napoli because even considering that John Buck had a good year offensively last year, Napoli is even better offensively, and Arencibia is a pretty damn good prospect too. Every offseason, there always seems to be a move that makes you say "whaaa?" This is that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 11:35 PM) Well the crazy part is that Toronto got better in this deal. Haven't looked, but I doubt that Rivera is good defensively, and Snider is probably average, but Davis is fast enough that he should be above average in CF. Rivera is a league average, perhaps a little above league average LF offensively, but the real win is Napoli because even considering that John Buck had a good year offensively last year, Napoli is even better offensively, and Arencibia is a pretty damn good prospect too. Every offseason, there always seems to be a move that makes you say "whaaa?" This is that trade. So far, this offseason has started and ended with "WTF" moves. First Jayson Werth's insane contract, then this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I can't believe they found a taker for Vernon Wells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Lopsided trade is lopsided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wow! The unmovable Vernon Wells. And they got Napoli back? AA is a f*cking magician! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 11:11 PM) So far, this offseason has started and ended with "WTF" moves. First Jayson Werth's insane contract, then this trade. The Jayson Werth move atleast makes sense from a baseball standpoint, though it was financially f'ed up. This makes no sense at all. Juan Rivera himself could outproduce Vernon Wells, and he is due like 95% less money, and on top of that, the Angels gave up Napoli too. I imagine this is the kind of move that has blindsided quite a few GMs and probably Ken Williams too, because Quentin for Napoli would have made a ton of sense in early December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2011 -> 03:32 AM) The Jayson Werth move atleast makes sense from a baseball standpoint, though it was financially f'ed up. This makes no sense at all. Juan Rivera himself could outproduce Vernon Wells, and he is due like 95% less money, and on top of that, the Angels gave up Napoli too. I imagine this is the kind of move that has blindsided quite a few GMs and probably Ken Williams too, because Quentin for Napoli would have made a ton of sense in early December. Ok, but you can't say that Werth's signing was good from baseball standpoint, but not financially, and then immediately talk about the financial standpoint of the Well's trade. Wells for Napoli and Rivera isn't really that bad of a move, but it's financially f'ed up, just like the Werth deal is also financially f'ed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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