First thing that came to my mind. Now unless Coop, ect, are totally on some bulls***, which wouldn't surprise me at all, Peavy is ahead of schedule and doesn't figure to miss more than 5-6 starts. However, if he's out for a much longer extended period of time, then Freddy becomes almost essential. The thought of Tony Pena or Lucas Harell for 12-15 starts gives me nightmares.

 

A 6th starter like Freddy is useful for Peavy insurance in two ways: (1) if Peavy comes back later than expected (since the Sox seem to be stating that he might be back early in the season) but also (2) if Peavy is ineffective once he comes back. I'm not that worried about Peavy recovering. Reading up on this injury, he should have no problem recovering in time and being perfectly healthy. However, we really don't know how it'll affect his motion or effectiveness.

I would be OK with Freddy as #5, and in today's game, I don't see how having 6 starters is a problem. Hopefully everyone stays healthy, but you never know, and if everything works out and Freddy is pitching OK, I'm sure he would be an easy flip to an NL team.

Just to be a complete ass, that wasn't even close to correct.

 

Duchscherer.

 

I was pretty sure I butchered it, just I'm too lazy to look it up.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

I'd love the move. Great to see the Sox keep on digging those quarters out from under the cushions, too.

 

Duchscherer would be ideal in an ideal world, but if he's in our budget it's probably because there's still a lot wrong there, and if he's looking pretty good - well, then he's not in our budget.

 

Freddy OTOH is believable. He's a Sox guy and a hometown discount candidate, plus he can trust that the Sox will be upfront with him re: Peavy coming back. If Freddy wants to start when Peavy gets back then I'm sure the Sox will deal him off to give him an opportunity elsewhere.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

 

False.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

Yeah.... except no.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

 

You can't rely on Garcai for the whole season but to start the season and add insurance when Peavy comes back ,sure.

 

Have you seen the s*** that is called up from AA/AAA to pitch?

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

 

I absolutely agree with the gist of what you're saying. The problem is we have the worst collection of SP prospects in baseball. I don't see anybody that could give us even replacement level performance. At least with Freddy you know he can BS his way through a couple starts here and there.

Edited January 27, 201115 yr by Jordan4life

There is no chance Williams is going to trade a starter this late in the offseason, barring the "blown away" package.

 

 

 

Teahen was always going to be a 4th outfielder and corner infielder for this team. And as much as I would have loved Jones back - I even said early in the offseason that it would have been one of the first moves I would have made - I can't disagree with it at this time. Adam Dunn still hits lefties fairly well, and though Quentin struggles against them, Ozzie would never take him out against a lefty. And hopefully Viciedo adapts to the outfield well enough so that he can be adequate come anytime from June till the end of the season in case they do need a lefty masher on the bench.

 

Sale is probably going to be in the bullpen this year and moving to the rotation following that, Pena proved he is awful as a starting pitcher, and I don't know why you keep bringing up Humber's name.

 

You're crazy.

 

Maybe he has one lined up and is just waiting to see How Peavy will pitch in spring training before he pulls the trigger.

 

Bring me Freddy.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

This is completely inaccurate.

For those of you Freddy haters out there. Remember when the rest of the staff was sucking early on? Freddy went 4-1 in May and helped carry the team through June until they all got hot. Freddy was 4-0 in June as well. He did more than anyone expected and would be a great insurance policy for this ballclup!

 

SIGN ME UP!

Edited January 28, 201115 yr by GreatScott82

For those of you Freddy haters out there. Remember when the rest of the staff was sucking early on? Freddy went 4-1 in May and helped carry the team through June until they all got hot. Freddy was 4-0 in June as well. He did more than anyone expected and would be a great insurance policy for this ballclup!

 

SIGN ME UP!

 

Well said here. It's not a stat but Freddy was a flat-out winner last year and I love the idea of a 6 man for the 2nd half. Maybe that would help Gavin hold it together at the end.

Well said here. It's not a stat but Freddy was a flat-out winner last year and I love the idea of a 6 man for the 2nd half. Maybe that would help Gavin hold it together at the end.

A 6 man rotation is just never a good idea.

A 6 man rotation is just never a good idea.

 

Yea just one of those things that'll never happen.

Yea just one of those things that'll never happen.

 

Im sure at one point they said a 5 man rotation would never happen or bullpens as big as they are currently...

A 6 man rotation is just never a good idea.

Its never a real bad idea to have too many starters. If everyone is healthy and can pitch, they are pretty easy to get rid of.

Im sure at one point they said a 5 man rotation would never happen or bullpens as big as they are currently...

There's a limit though...the larger your rotation gets, the smaller the rest of your team gets.

Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad

Let's look at the list of starters or starter/relievers that will likely be in AA/AAA to start 2011. You are saying that one of these guys:

 

Lucas Harrell

Phil Humber

Charlie Shirek

Jeff Marquez

Johnnie Lowe

Brandon Hynick

Charlie Leesman

Matt Long

Justin Edwards

Terry Doyle

Dylan Axelrod

 

Is on par with Freddy Garcia? Right now? Sure, a couple of those guys may become decent starters at some point. But to open 2011? Really?

 

Its never a real bad idea to have too many starters. If everyone is healthy and can pitch, they are pretty easy to get rid of.

 

And I would say that the odds of everyone on this staff being healthy all year are slim and none. Once Peavy comes back there is a high probability that someone else will be even slightly injured (miss a start or 2) or need a break. Even Danks has blister problems flare up every now and then.

 

If we really are "all in", Freddy is a great insurance policy to have and what a fantastic piece to have to rest guys and to help set up the rotation for the playoffs in September. All of our starters have proven to be pretty clutch at times, but I'm not sure that in a meaningful game in September that I wouldn't want "Big Game" Freddy on th mound to secure any playoff hopes.

Edited January 28, 201115 yr by balfanman

And I would say that the odds of everyone on this staff being healthy all year are slim and none. Once Peavy comes back there is a high probability that someone else will be even slightly injured (miss a start or 2) or need a break. Even Danks has blister problems flare up every now and then.

 

If we really are "all in", Freddy is a great insurance policy to have and what a fantastic piece to have to rest guys and to help set up the rotation for the playoffs in September. All of our starters have proven to be pretty clutch at times, but I'm not sure that in a meaningful game in September that I wouldn't want "Big Game" Freddy on th mound to secure any playoff hopes.

The real problem with signing a Garcia is...what do you do with him if all of your other 5 starters are healthy. If you can get him on a deal where you can option him to the minors, that's perfect, but he ought to be able to find better than that just by going to NL clubs.

 

The other place to put him is the bullpen...but I don't think that works that great either. I noted earlier how I don't think he's a good bullpen fit with his health issues and with his history of needing a long time to warm up. Beyond that though, there are only 2 guys in the bullpen who can effectively be sent down to the minors, Sale and Infante, and frankly, I expect that both of them would outpitch Freddy as bullpen guys this year.

The real problem with signing a Garcia is...what do you do with him if all of your other 5 starters are healthy. If you can get him on a deal where you can option him to the minors, that's perfect, but he ought to be able to find better than that just by going to NL clubs.

 

The other place to put him is the bullpen...but I don't think that works that great either. I noted earlier how I don't think he's a good bullpen fit with his health issues and with his history of needing a long time to warm up. Beyond that though, there are only 2 guys in the bullpen who can effectively be sent down to the minors, Sale and Infante, and frankly, I expect that both of them would outpitch Freddy as bullpen guys this year.

 

I'd deal with that problem on the lesser chance that it happens. As someone else said, what a good problem to have. If Freddy wants to come back here at a reasonable cost I could not possibly sign him fast enough!

The real problem with signing a Garcia is...what do you do with him if all of your other 5 starters are healthy. If you can get him on a deal where you can option him to the minors, that's perfect, but he ought to be able to find better than that just by going to NL clubs.

 

The other place to put him is the bullpen...but I don't think that works that great either. I noted earlier how I don't think he's a good bullpen fit with his health issues and with his history of needing a long time to warm up. Beyond that though, there are only 2 guys in the bullpen who can effectively be sent down to the minors, Sale and Infante, and frankly, I expect that both of them would outpitch Freddy as bullpen guys this year.

 

There's a pretty stable faction of posters around here who think the White Sox should be looking to trade John Danks for a king's ransom as the trade deadline approaches since he hasn't signed an extension yet. If everyone's health is in-line, players are performing up to or beyond expectations/potential, and the deal is right, I don't think it'd be out of the question to consider it an option to hold onto Freddy and trade Danks and replenish the system a little bit.

There's a pretty stable faction of posters around here who think the White Sox should be looking to trade John Danks for a king's ransom as the trade deadline approaches since he hasn't signed an extension yet. If everyone's health is in-line, players are performing up to or beyond expectations/potential, and the deal is right, I don't think it'd be out of the question to consider it an option to hold onto Freddy and trade Danks and replenish the system a little bit.

 

If the team is performing, there is no way you trade Danks during the season.