Not in USCF.

 

Remember, the Mariners already tried this model and it failed miserably because of the lack of offense.

 

Viciedo, without Quentin in the line-up and with Konerko due for a down season, simply has to be in the everyday line-up.

 

 

The MAIN reason we failed this year was offense...with the exception of Pierre (who was supposed to give us at least decent defense).

 

Wait, what? Juan Pierre was definitely part of the reason this offense failed (he has no real talent). PK is the only regular that can look himself in the mirror and not be ashamed.

Not in USCF.

 

Remember, the Mariners already tried this model and it failed miserably because of the lack of offense.

 

Viciedo, without Quentin in the line-up and with Konerko due for a down season, simply has to be in the everyday line-up.

 

 

The MAIN reason we failed this year was offense...with the exception of Pierre (who was supposed to give us at least decent defense).

 

I am hoping that the Sox can make a trade Adam Jones. Right now we have no CF.

 

 

He does. But his range and reads are not very good. He by no means is considered a good defender.

 

Sox wasted a year (some would argue two) of development time defensively on him. Still bitter that they waited as long as they did.

Something interesting I just noticed whilst talking to my Cubs friend.....

 

Peavy and Rios are pretty much our south side equals to Zambrano and Soriano. Our duo will cost us $29M in 2012, and put up a 2.2 combined WAR in 2011. Their duo will cost them $36M in 2012, and also put up a 2.2 combined WAR in 2011.

 

Just something depressingly interesting I thought I would share.

Peavy's aituation was due to injury not being a mental midget. He has a good chance to rebound and be a good pitcher. The situations are nowhere near similar.

I am hoping that the Sox can make a trade Adam Jones. Right now we have no CF.

Adam Jones continues to be a terrible fit for the White Sox in every possible way.

Viciedo will be great on this team as a part time DH/4th OF. I am all about pitching and defense.

 

 

How are you discrediting Dayan as an OF already? He seemed to do fine in RF after his call-up, and it's assumed he will only improve from here. As a fan of a team who employed Jermaine Dye and Carlos Quentin in RF for the better part of a decade, I am surprised your defensive standards would be so high for a RF, especially one who has a great arm and the potential to be a huge offensive weapon.

 

Viciedo needs to be in the OF until he proves he can't. So far, he hasn't had the chance.

 

 

I thought the tank had a crazy good arm?

 

 

He does. But his range and reads are not very good. He by no means is considered a good defender.

 

 

I seen him played a lot last year in Charlotte. My defense standards is for every position on the field.

 

Not a big fan of Quentin.

So..."Judging the ability of a guy to read a ball in the OF when he's played the OF for 1 season in his life" doesn't strike me as the wisest strategy.

According to Knobler and a few others on MLB radio.. The Sox are very interested in Cespedes now.

 

Who is his agent?

He does. But his range and reads are not very good. He by no means is considered a good defender.

 

This. His reads were awful. Could they improve? Sure. By how much? No idea.

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This. His reads were awful. Could they improve? Sure. By how much? No idea.

I bet Ichiro's reads weren't very good during the first 3 months he played the OF.

I bet Ichiro's reads weren't very good during the first 3 months he played the OF.

 

Seriously? a comparison between Ichiro and Viciedo?

Seriously? a comparison between Ichiro and Viciedo?

Correct.

 

If you want a laughable statement, go to the people complaining about the defensive reads made by a guy playing his first 3 months in the OF. It's just silly.

 

This is why I spent 2 years getting pissed off over every time we'd change Viciedo's position, because if we'd actually had our act together, put him somewhere and let him develop at that spot, we'd actually be able to say a lot more what kind of defender he'd become. Instead, we get lunacy like complaining about Viciedo's defensive reads after his 1st season in the OF, which was also his 3rd position in 3 years.

Correct.

 

If you want a laughable statement, go to the people complaining about the defensive reads made by a guy playing his first 3 months in the OF. It's just silly.

 

This is why I spent 2 years getting pissed off over every time we'd change Viciedo's position, because if we'd actually had our act together, put him somewhere and let him develop at that spot, we'd actually be able to say a lot more what kind of defender he'd become. Instead, we get lunacy like complaining about Viciedo's defensive reads after his 1st season in the OF, which was also his 3rd position in 3 years.

 

Nope, comparing Viciedo to Ichiro in any way, shape, or form is all of the laughs I need.

Adam Jones continues to be a terrible fit for the White Sox in every possible way.

 

I will take a Gold Glove winner, who could hit over 30 Hr's and drive in close to 100 runs, any day of the week.

 

Oh as well as steal many bases...

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I will take a Gold Glove winner, who could hit over 30 Hr's and drive in close to 100 runs Sox any day of the week.

 

Oh as well as steal many bases...

And put up a middling .780 OPS because he strikes out a lot and never takes a walk, and who gets paid ~$20-25 million the next 3 years to do so before he is let go. And who stole a whopping 12 bases last year, and who is 44/64 in his career.

And put up a middling .780 OPS because he strikes out a lot and never takes a walk, and who gets paid ~$20-25 million the next 3 years to do so before he is let go. And who stole a whopping 12 bases last year, and who is 44/64 in his career.

 

I don't think 110 Strikeouts is a lot during a season.

Who is his agent?

 

Edgar Mercedes

I don't think 110 Strikeouts is a lot during a season.

It is if you take 25 walks.

I'd like the Cespedes move if we were to trade Quentin.

 

Viciedo-Cespedes-Rios/DeAza or DeAza being the 4th outfielder.

 

Not sure what are we even arguing over here, there's still place for Viciedo in the OF.

If the report out of the Baltimore Sun is to be believed (which I saw on mlbtraderumors.com), then the O's certainly value Adam Jones more than some on this board. Supposedly the Braves offered Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and a prospect for Jones, and the O's didn't bite. That's like us offering Floyd, Quentin and a prospect. I think Jones is good, but not good enough to turn down that offer.

And put up a middling .780 OPS because he strikes out a lot and never takes a walk, and who gets paid ~$20-25 million the next 3 years to do so before he is let go. And who stole a whopping 12 bases last year, and who is 44/64 in his career.

 

Indeed. I don't mind Jones, but he makes little sense on a club that is supposedly rebuilding. Same with Cespedes.

If the report out of the Baltimore Sun is to be believed (which I saw on mlbtraderumors.com), then the O's certainly value Adam Jones more than some on this board. Supposedly the Braves offered Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and a prospect for Jones, and the O's didn't bite. That's like us offering Floyd, Quentin and a prospect. I think Jones is good, but not good enough to turn down that offer.

Adam Jones is a lot like Alex Rios (pre complete fail).

Not sure if it warrants a new thread or not. I'll leave that up to the mods.

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Luxor has #whitesox 12-1 to win AL crown & 25-1 to win Series in 2012. They know something we don't?

 

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Luxor has #whitesox 12-1 to win AL crown & 25-1 to win Series in 2012. They know something we don't?

 

 

Today is a weird day.