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Evaluating Terry Doyle

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QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 12:19 PM)
He'll probably be selected in the Rule 5 as he's not currently protected.

That's absolutely ridiculous. The Sox have 4 open spots and wouldn't waste sending him to the AFL just to leave him unprotected after a great showing.

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Remember, if a player is picked in the rule 5, then the drafting team needs to keep that player on their big league roster for the full 162 game season. For a guy who pitched 1/2 of a AA season last year, that's an iffy move. If he comes out and puts up an ERA of 7 in his first 3 starts after jumping 2 levels, you can't just hide him on the bench.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 05:22 PM)
Remember, if a player is picked in the rule 5, then the drafting team needs to keep that player on their big league roster for the full 162 game season. For a guy who pitched 1/2 of a AA season last year, that's an iffy move. If he comes out and puts up an ERA of 7 in his first 3 starts after jumping 2 levels, you can't just hide him on the bench.

 

There's also the minor league phase.

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QUOTE (JPN366 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:45 PM)
There's also the minor league phase.

 

There's no doubt he will be protected the minor league portion.

We send him to AFL, and he does great, so we don't protect him? Why then did we send him to AFL? If I didn't know better, it looks as if Kenny Williams is running the show.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 12:00 PM)
We send him to AFL, and he does great, so we don't protect him? Why then did we send him to AFL? If I didn't know better, it looks as if Kenny Williams is running the show.

If I looked at other team's lists of players who went to the AFL and had moderate success, do you think I could find a decent number who weren't protected?

QUOTE (NHDadUmp-RI @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 05:38 PM)
Guess who made the AFL 2011 Top Prospects Team?

 

:headbang

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http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...rticle_26024804

 

Please, someone explain to me why the White Sox chose not to keep Terry Doyle safe on the 40-man roster and possibly lose Doyle to another team. Doyle has been very solid at each stop.

-- Greg, Rochester, N.Y.

 

Doyle deserves credit for getting his name into consideration for the 40-man following a tremendous showing in the Arizona Fall League. He was a solid pitcher, not known as a pure stuff guy, but opened eyes during the past six weeks. Ultimately, a guy like Charlie Leesman, who was added to the 40-man roster, might have more upside in regard to raw talent, especially since this career Minor League starter could figure into the White Sox relief plans in the very near future.

 

Then again, Doyle's success won't be measured on the speed gun. It's hard to argue with a guy who seems to have an understanding on how to pitch and operates with a great deal of heart.

Pitching>Stuff any day of the week. However you need to at least figure out how to battle major league hitters that have much better pitch recognition than minor leaguers.

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And now he's a Twin. 2nd overall pick in the Rule 5 draft.

He's 26 years old. Give it a rest. The Sox most likely will be able to buy him back for $25k. The chances of him turning into anything better than Lance Broadway are slim.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 05:55 AM)
He's 26 years old. Give it a rest. The Sox most likely will be able to buy him back for $25k. The chances of him turning into anything better than Lance Broadway are slim.

 

Speaking of giving it a rest, the dude is already better than Lance Broadway ever was.

I'm still scratching my head as to how someone with the name "Lance Broadway" could not be a success in major league baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 01:23 PM)
If I looked at other team's lists of players who went to the AFL and had moderate success, do you think I could find a decent number who weren't protected?

No, I don't.

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QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:03 PM)
No, I don't.

 

Which is odd because 12 players were selected in the Rule V draft, so 40% of baseball disagrees.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:09 PM)
Which is odd because 12 players were selected in the Rule V draft, so 40% of baseball disagrees.

He said ones with AFL success. Not unprotected players in general.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 07:39 AM)
Speaking of giving it a rest, the dude is already better than Lance Broadway ever was.

Check Lance Broadway at Birmingham as a 22 year old vs. Doyle at Birmingham as a 25 year old, then pop off.

You'll eat those words, Dick.

It's hard to argue that the Sox have enough minor league pitching depth to risk losing an overachiever like Terry Doyle for $50,000. The Twins landed the 26-year-old right-hander with the second pick in the Rule 5 draft and will give him a chance to win a job on their staff next season, possibly even in the rotation.

 

"We're looking for pitching," Twins GM Terry Ryan said of Doyle, who was 4-0 with a 1.98 ERA in the Arizona Fall League after a solid season that ended in Double-A. "He's a good fit here. … He's a worker. He's going to take the ball. He's big and strong and durable. We've had a lot of looks at him."

 

phil rogers

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 11:33 PM)
You'll eat those words, Dick.

 

Your track record for predicting major league success isn't exactly stellar either.

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FWIW, I asked K. Goldstein what the odds were that Terry would make the Twins 25-man roster, and he said very slim, so it appears there is a good chance we get him back! So maybe not protecting him won't come back to bite us in the ass.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 15, 2011 -> 05:58 PM)
Your track record for predicting major league success isn't exactly stellar either.

 

Whose track record is? Am I a professional scout? No.

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