January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) I think EJax signs for way less per year than that. I think he's going to wind up in the 5 years, $60 million range before this is all done.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) This is the most helpful tip I can give, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or condescending at all. Forget 2012. Look at it as though it will be a losing season (it will). We need to look past 2012. And because this is the case, Dunn, Rios and Peavy need to be starting as much as possible. The only chance we have at dealing them is with bounceback seasons. That isn't going to happen if they are on the bench for someone out our crappy Charlotte OF.
January 5, 201214 yr If we acquire more young pitching, do you shop Humber at the deadline if he's pitching well?
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:17 PM) If we acquire more young pitching, do you shop Humber at the deadline if he's pitching well? Humber will be just entering his arb years in 2013. If the team is out of it and going no where, and if someone blows you away, yes.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) Humber will be just entering his arb years in 2013. If the team is out of it and going no where, and if someone blows you away, yes. If Humber is pitching anywhere like he was last year, then the price for him ought to rival Ubaldo Jiminez. If he's not pitching as well as he did last year, then there's no real good reason to move him.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) If Humber is pitching anywhere like he was last year, then the price for him ought to rival Ubaldo Jiminez. That's why I think you shop him. He'll be in his 30's when the team is ready to contend.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) That's why I think you shop him. He'll be in his 30's when the team is ready to contend. Yeah it totally depends on how his season looks, and what our 2013 appears to look like. If we aren't going anywhere, and the new players aren't successful around him, deal him. If guys are performing and it looks like we can compete in 2013, you hold on to him.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) lol, Humber bringing an Ubaldo-like package. Really? Why would you trade him otherwise? Incredibly friendly contract, put up spectacular numbers last year, just wore out towards the end, under team control for 4+ years.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Why would you trade him otherwise? Incredibly friendly contract, put up spectacular numbers last year, just wore out towards the end, under team control for 4+ years. That doesnt mean he is worth what the Indians paid for Ubaldo. Ubaldo was coming off a cy young-esque season. Humber played 3/4 of a season. Not even close to the same thing
January 5, 201214 yr No idea who this guy is, but: Straycats23 Hollywood Gavin Floyd close to being a Blue Jay. 36 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Maybe it's someone reading this thread!
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Why would you trade him otherwise? Incredibly friendly contract, put up spectacular numbers last year, just wore out towards the end, under team control for 4+ years. Humber has played well for a half a season in his career. I'm not saying you trade him, but he is nowhere remotely close to Ubaldo Jimenez in value.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) No idea who this guy is, but: Straycats23 Hollywood Gavin Floyd close to being a Blue Jay. 36 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Maybe it's someone reading this thread! This is weird, nothing at all from MLBTR yet.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:36 PM) This is weird, nothing at all from MLBTR yet. That's because no one credible has mentioned anything yet. All we have is these 2 random twitter guys and Bucket. But with twitter people like K0na breaking news, who knows? Edited January 5, 201214 yr by DirtySox
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:37 PM) That's because no one credible has mentioned anything yet. All we have is these 2 random twitter guys and Bucket. But with twitter people like K0na breaking news, who knows? These are the days you learn who is worth following and who is full of s***.
January 5, 201214 yr That's because no one credible has mentioned anything yet. All we have is these 2 random twitter guys and Bucket. But with twitter people like K0na breaking news, who knows? some fan broke the Zambrano trade 4 hours before Rosenthal reported it... Twitter is a nice source of inside info
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) some fan broke the Zambrano trade 4 hours before Rosenthal reported it... Twitter is a nice source of inside info Yep. But it's a crap-shoot on knowing who actually isn't full of it.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) Humber has played well for a half a season in his career. I'm not saying you trade him, but he is nowhere remotely close to Ubaldo Jimenez in value. Like Ubaldo!
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) Like Ubaldo! Listen, I think he's overrated too, but the fact of the matter is that Humber is a fallen prospect, almost a soft-tosser with a curveball he has trouble locating, that everyone gave up on a long time ago, and Ubaldo is perceived as an ace talent with upper-90's heat and a nasty slider, and on an awesome below-market contract.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) Why do the Sox only talk deals with the Blue Jays? Spread it around, Kenny. They have a TON of young talent, their GM likes Kenny for his aggresiveness, they are interested in our players and have the money for a few of them. Of course there will be lots of dialogue and rumors between the two. Right now there aren't a whole lot of interested teams that have the money to pick up our players, so may as well focus on the ones who are willing to talk to you. Edited January 5, 201214 yr by bigruss22
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:55 PM) They have a TON of young talent, their GM likes Kenny for his aggresiveness, they are interested in our players and have the money for a few of them. Of course there will be lots of dialogue and rumors between the two. Right now there aren't a whole lot of interested teams that have the money to pick up our players, so may as well focus on the ones who are willing to talk to you. Yep. With what the Jays have in that system, I have no problem with Kenny and Alex as trade partners.
January 5, 201214 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 05:36 PM) Is no one else already worried that we'll only get a "project" prospect and a throw-in? Let's not half-ass this rebuild. Stick to it or don't, no in-between s***. Amazing. We agree again!
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