Quin Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) I've a feeling Drabek will be a lot better next season.. Floyd to Toronto for Drabek & McGuire, would be a great deal for the Sox. It would mean our 20132 Rotation is set, proving KW is Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Would Hechavarria be on the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) Couldn't some of these moves...Thornton, Crain, Floyd all happen in July just as easily and with more teams desperate to add? Call me crazy, but I think there's an outside chance the current roster can win. To me, they should give this roster a few months to play, and then if they're 6 games back in July and under-.500, trade anyone you can/want. That's no good. 6 games back would be "too close" in KW's mind. We'd have to be 10+ out for him to punt the season. And in this division, we'd have to be really bad for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Which is why I believe it won't happen. That's not AA's style. If it does, it goes in your Sig. KW is fully endorsed by Jordan4Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) I've a feeling Drabek will be a lot better next season.. Floyd to Toronto for Drabek & McGuire, would be a great deal for the Sox. Yes it would. And not good for the Blue Jays. Pie. In. The. Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Is no one else already worried that we'll only get a "project" prospect and a throw-in? Yes, I'm terrified. Every single AA deal we've made has left me at least uneasy and at worst sad. I mean, KW hasn't "won" any of them. They haven't been disasters, but they've all been at least slightly in the Blue Jays favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Do it. Continue trading anyone you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) Yes, I'm terrified. Every single AA deal we've made has left me at least uneasy and at worst sad. I mean, KW hasn't "won" any of them. They haven't been disasters, but they've all been at least slightly in the Blue Jays favor. Like hell Frasor 1 & 22 were. I say we won those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I've a feeling Drabek will be a lot better next season.. Floyd to Toronto for Drabek & McGuire, would be a great deal for the Sox. I'd be on board with that sort of deal. I don't think the Sox get it, but I'd be on board with it. A package built around McGuire would be solid, but it is important to remember that upside wise, McGuire doesn't have wow you stuff. He is a good pitcher though. I'm not sure you can just pencil him into a rotation now though. The dude has pitched in like 4 games at the AA level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'd like to see the Sox trade Dunn, Rios and Peavy this off season.. If we have to pay these guys anyway, why not trade them and eat their salary and at the same time bring in more prospects into this organzation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) I'd like to see the Sox trade Dunn, Rios and Peavy this off season.. If we have to pay these guys anyway, why not trade them and eat their salary and at the same time bring in more prospects into this organzation. Um, what the hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) Like hell Frasor 1 & 22 were. I say we won those. I like Frasor #2, but not Frasor #1. I get how nice it was to dump Teahen, but I feel like we could have done better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) I'd like to see the Sox trade Dunn, Rios and Peavy this off season.. If we have to pay these guys anyway, why not trade them and eat their salary and at the same time bring in more prospects into this organzation. I'm sure JR would love to write a $100 million check to cover their salaries to play for other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Is no one else already worried that we'll only get a "project" prospect and a throw-in? Let's not half-ass this rebuild. Stick to it or don't, no in-between s***. But thing about that is, you can't trade Rios, Dunn, or Peavy. And they probably won't move Konerko or Pierzynski either. So this "rebuild" is a multi-year process. The way I see it, they currently have 5 starting pitchers that can go out and put up a quality start. I think they should try to win with the 5 starters, and see if the Dunn, Rios, and Beckham bats come around. If they do hit, they would regret moving a Floyd and Crain and/or Thornton out of the pen. There's no real good reason to make any more significant moves until July unless they get overwhelmed with something. Edited January 5, 2012 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) I'd like to see the Sox trade Dunn, Rios and Peavy this off season.. If we have to pay these guys anyway, why not trade them and eat their salary and at the same time bring in more prospects into this organzation. I think someone says this in every single thread on this site, no matter what the subject is. I'll have to check the SOXFEST one to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:45 AM) But thing about that is, you can't trade Rios, Dunn, or Peavy. And they probably won't move Konerko or Pierzynski either. So this "rebuild" is a multi-year process. The way I see it, they currently have 5 starting pitchers that can go out and put up a quality start. I think they should try to win with the 5 starters, and see if the Dunn, Rios, and Beckham bats come around. If they do hit, they would regret moving a Floyd and Crain and/or Thornton out of the pen. There's no real good reason to make any more significant moves until July unless they get overwhelmed with something. Or the guys we could possibly trade (Floyd, Crain, Thornton, etc.) suck in 2012 and have no trade value at the deadline. We have to stick to the plan. This is another reason I fear that KW will make mistakes, in order to appease the fans who think everything will turn out fine as long as one or two things work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Or the guys we could possibly trade (Floyd, Crain, Thornton, etc.) suck in 2012 and have no trade value at the deadline. We have to stick to the plan. This is another reason I fear that KW will make mistakes, in order to appease the fans who think everything will turn out fine as long as one or two things work. Exactly. If we're surprisingly good, we'll add at the deadline, but we can't plan on being lucky. Fix the stuff we know is wrong, build from the foundation, get everything in a row. If we have to react to unexpected success, so be it, it's much better than reacting to likely failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Or the guys we could possibly trade (Floyd, Crain, Thornton, etc.) suck in 2012 and have no trade value at the deadline. We have to stick to the plan. This is another reason I fear that KW will make mistakes, in order to appease the fans who think everything will turn out fine as long as one or two things work. I'd rather gamble that productive pitchers will remain productive than trade them now and regret it by June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) I'd rather gamble that productive pitchers will remain productive than trade them now and regret it by June. And win 77 games again? The problem is that we aren't a pitcher or two from winning. Why let those assets rot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) I'd rather gamble that productive pitchers will remain productive than trade them now and regret it by June. This is the most helpful tip I can give, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or condescending at all. Forget 2012. Look at it as though it will be a losing season (it will). We need to look past 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) This is the most helpful tip I can give, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or condescending at all. Forget 2012. Look at it as though it will be a losing season (it will). We need to look past 2012. I wish I could look past 2012. With Trader Kenny, the fear of him trying to acquire players to make a push is always there. Right now, I will not argue with stockpiling arms. Get Gavin outta here. Then wait for Prince to land and send Paulie to the team that missed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) This is the most helpful tip I can give, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or condescending at all. Forget 2012. Look at it as though it will be a losing season (it will). We need to look past 2012. At the same time, it may be entertaining simply because it will be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Actually posted about Floyd for Deck+ yesterday. Was a big fan of his in the 2010 draft. He's not some super sexy high ceiling starter, but he's got a workhorse body and 3 useful pitches. He's a middle of the rotation type and a pretty safe bet to stick. I like my toolsy high upside prospects, but a system also needs safer high floor picks like Deck to balance it out. I hope something gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (striker @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 11:03 AM) @FarrellBall (1/3/2012) Source: #Jays seem to be pushing harder for Gavin Floyd over the last 48 hours.. McGuire seems to be the centerpiece to a potential trade. @FarrellBall (1/1/2012) Source: The #Jays have strong interest in SP Gavin Floyd from the #WhiteSox.. Rumblings of McGuire or Wojciechowski... Just because Sox hire guy from Toronto does not mean we have to get every minor league spec he likes. McGuire has been a disappointment so far has been passed over time and time again. Edited January 5, 2012 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Call it what you want but the fat has been trimmed any deals now need to viewed at as wins. With B or better rated prospects coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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