Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) I did see that in at lest one game I was able to watch. That couple miles off can make a difference, but I think control has been a problem too Pitch F/X doesn't help as much with that, but usually...if a guy has lost 2 mph on his fastball, whatever reason he's down on that, it's going to affect his control too. Start overthrowing things, lose something in the delivery, start relying on different pitches, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) Other than that ball to right it's been Danks getting hit hard, walking guys, and throwing the ball into right field. what about gordon's heads up play? what about Dunn not paying attention to snag the throw? That's 3 plays man. Yeah fine, Danks isn't crazy sharp today, but his defense is NOT helping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) There Danks reached back for a little something extra on the fastball, got it up to 91. Well, it's still a ballgame, boys. Offense on paper SHOULD be able to score more than 2 runs against Kevin Freakin' Millwood. Maybe not 5 or 10 years ago, but this version of him. One would hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Millwood with a 3.14 ERA career vs. the Sox...and those starts have not come in his prime years. It would be nice to just tee off on him one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:33 PM) Pitch F/X doesn't help as much with that, but usually...if a guy has lost 2 mph on his fastball, whatever reason he's down on that, it's going to affect his control too. Start overthrowing things, lose something in the delivery, start relying on different pitches, whatever. Most important thing in my opinion is the lack of difference in velocity between fastball and change-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) are you 12? Nope 11. How about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) are you 12? I don't know what you are talking about with "poor Danks" either. He has been awful today, and just like usual he gives a lead back and then some. Yeah the errors by lilli and beckham sucked, but the guys on base when those errors happened were all on Danks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Wow, not a pretty last two innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 As much as I am a Lillibrodge supporter what kind of at bat was that? Took five pitches and three for strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 That looked like one of Humber's under 10 pitch innings yesterday. It's going to take a season or two to "unprogram" this Sunday/getaway day apathy or whatever it is. Take the first 2 games, shut it down. Not good. We still have four more innings to turn it around, but the body language isn't good right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) I don't know what you are talking about with "poor Danks" either. He has been awful today, and just like usual he gives a lead back and then some. Yeah the errors by lilli and beckham sucked, but the guys on base when those errors happened were all on Danks. he gives up a single, and the guy ends up on 3rd base by no fault of Danks. Where was the other hard hit ball that inning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 A come back victory would be nice and grindy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:34 PM) Most important thing in my opinion is the lack of difference in velocity between fastball and change-up. That is a major concern for sure. Dead-arm leading to overthrowing the ball, no control & too many walks or can't get the change up working right or whatever Danks has just not looked all that sharp this early in the season for a guy touted as the new staff ace. Maybe he is just putting pressure on himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Another walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) what about gordon's heads up play? what about Dunn not paying attention to snag the throw? That's 3 plays man. Yeah fine, Danks isn't crazy sharp today, but his defense is NOT helping him. Seattle has 7 hits. Six of those were scorched. I know your thing is defending everybody, but I don't think I'm being overly critical of a guy who has allowed 4 runs on 7 hits in four innings against a team that didn't even come close to getting a hit yesterday, and is one of the worst offensive teams in baseball. I'm not saying I want Danks hanged and quartered at the town square. I'm saying it would be nice if our number 1 starter could sport an ERA under 5.50 at this stage. Oh look...another walk. He has 3 of those too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 05:38 PM) That is a major concern for sure. Dead-arm leading to overthrowing the ball, no control & too many walks or can't get the change up working right or whatever Danks has just not looked all that sharp this early in the season for a guy touted as the new staff ace. Maybe he is just putting pressure on himself? Outside of the "lack of velocity", we've seen Danks go through more than just a few stretches in his career where he didn't have a whole lot of effectiveness with his change and then couldn't put people away because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Seems to me Danks is suffering from the same problem Peavy had last year. FB and change-up/offspeed velocity too close together. You always look for that 10-20 MPH differential, as Mike Maddux said in the Rangers/Tiggers pre-game. 89-90 mph on the fastball, 83-84 on offspeed stuff. Everything at about the same speed. Good call on the interference call by McClelland. Good bunt by Seager. Beckham really selling it by overacting too. 2nd stolen base of the season against us. How did that happen? Edited April 22, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Pitching and Defense can't make ANY mistakes, because this offense can not make up for anything. Just atrocious. 0-2 on chances to sweep a series? Please no... Also, these days I have more confidence in Sale Peavy and Humber than Danks and Floyd. The top of the rotation just being nothing but mediocre so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Didn't even look at the runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 There's about a 5-6 mph difference between fastball and change-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) Seattle has 7 hits. Six of those were scorched. I know your thing is defending everybody, but I don't think I'm being overly critical of a guy who has allowed 4 runs on 7 hits in four innings against a team that didn't even come close to getting a hit yesterday, and is one of the worst offensive teams in baseball. I'm not saying I want Danks hanged and quartered at the town square. I'm saying it would be nice if our number 1 starter could sport an ERA under 5.50 at this stage. Oh look...another walk. He has 3 of those too. haha listen man obviously danks isn't looking great. but he's had periods like this in every season of his career so far, and he still manages to string together solid seasons come the end of the year. I'm just saying lets back away from the ledge. he's in a rough patch, so it's nice that Peavy and Humber are picking up the slack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) There's about a 5-6 mph difference between fastball and change-up. On Dank's pitches or on an average for a pitcher in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 You almost wonder if the pressure of that contract is affecting Danks this year. Normally, you could blame it on the lack of offensive support, but he just hasn't seemed quite right this year, as we're all noting. He's battling, but the results just aren't there. It's like he's fighting himself right now. That throw over to Dunn really bothered him too and got him flustered visibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) haha listen man obviously danks isn't looking great. but he's had periods like this in every season of his career so far, and he still manages to string together solid seasons come the end of the year. I'm just saying lets back away from the ledge. he's in a rough patch, so it's nice that Peavy and Humber are picking up the slack So now he isnt looking great? So I guess I do watch the games? Edited April 22, 2012 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Philip Humber's nickname should be "Hot Spacho" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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