Floyd was pulled after 2 innings today. According to Hawk, he was pulled because of "Elbow Discomfort" (in his pitching arm).

Great news.

So Humber or Santiago Friday night in Detroit?

So Humber or Santiago Friday night in Detroit?

 

Hope Hector but betting Humber.

Oh, the Floydster has ED. Viagra might be the solution. Get well Gavin.

Oh, the Floydster has ED. Viagra might be the solution. Get well Gavin.

 

 

That explains why his stuff always comes and goes

Ironic because we dearly need Gavin due to the way he's always pitched against the Tigers.

 

Can we get Jose Contreras to sub in?

Hope Hector but betting Humber.

 

I do like Humber better in a huge ballpark like that.

Tigers with .720 team OPS against LHP, .781 against RHP.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_...6/philip-humber

Humber has given up 2 homers to Cabrera and Boesch, 1 to Berry. 15/43, 1.112 OPS. NOT GOOD.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_...hector-santiago

Hector Santiago

Only 4/29 DET hitting against him, Dirks homer, .618 OPS

 

 

Hector seems to be the pretty obvious choice.

 

 

 

 

 

Ironic because we dearly need Gavin due to the way he's always pitched against the Tigers.

 

Can we get Jose Contreras to sub in?

 

Sure

Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ?

Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ?

 

It's legit, he had a solid 2nd inning. It's the same elbow that had a tendinitis issue in July.

Hope Hector but betting Humber.

 

Please no Humber. He simply can't beat a team like the Tigers. He'll get crushed. Hector might as well but he just might keep us in the game.

It's legit, he had a solid 2nd inning. It's the same elbow that had a tendinitis issue in July.

this is turning out like Danks. We now know the reaso. he has been pitching poorly.

Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option...

 

Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???.

 

Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think.

 

 

Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option...

 

Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???.

 

Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think.

Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine.

It's been all too clear for a while that he's been pitching hurt.

Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine.

If you play the Rays 90 games/year then its great, but generally most teams have RH-heavy lineups and when you have 3+ lefties in a rotation it allows a RH-heavy lineup to focus on one side of the plate 2+ days in a row. If you're running out 4 Cy Young candidates with electric stuff then it probably doesn't matter, but for Danks and Quintana it would be an issue, and with Liriano's control issues it would be an issue for him as well. Managers like the R-L-R-L rotations just like they like those lineups with the idea being not to let anyone/any team get too comfortable.

Making it even more doubtful we'll pick up that 2013 option...

 

Just too big of a risk, trying to trade him. Of course, the danger is having too many lefties with Danks, Sale, Quintana and ???/???.

 

Santiago, Humber, Axelrod, Castro, Molina and Rienzo are all in the mix, one would think.

That's a pretty gruesome mix.

 

Kenny does 1 of 2 things this offseason IMO: he continues adding youth (late September fade/quick postseason exit) or he tries to extend the window another year. If he goes the youth route then you'd have to think vets are traded & in those deals we end up adding much better pitching prospects to the equation, completely excluding Axelrod, Rienzo, etc. Or if Kenny goes for it, we'll add a vet or it'll be a good, relatively proven young guy like Quintana as the #5.

Why its having too many lefties a problem? You can have 4 righties and that is fine.

Mainly because many 70% (that's a guess) of hitters are right handed and righties traditionally hit lefties better . So having too many lefty starters is worse than having too many righty starters just because of the lefty/righty hitting advantage. The only advantage you have with so many lefty starters is that some of the stronger teams have very good LH hitters but overall against all teams there's a disadvantage.

That's a pretty gruesome mix.

 

Kenny does 1 of 2 things this offseason IMO: he continues adding youth (late September fade/quick postseason exit) or he tries to extend the window another year. If he goes the youth route then you'd have to think vets are traded & in those deals we end up adding much better pitching prospects to the equation, completely excluding Axelrod, Rienzo, etc. Or if Kenny goes for it, we'll add a vet or it'll be a good, relatively proven young guy like Quintana as the #5.

 

Yep, subtracting Peavy/Floyd and the possibility for regression from Quintana makes things a bit scary, to say the least.

 

Still, I'd rather tempt fate if we could retain Liriano somehow than with Floyd.

 

There aren't very many trade candidates left that would net us much. Thornton and Crain wouldn't get us back any A level pitching prospect at this point.

 

That would mean we would have to continue to turn the roster over and move Alexei Ramirez to get something quality back in return.

 

You might be able to live with swapping out Flowers for AJ, but losing Youk, Ramirez and possibly replacing Beckham is going to be a huge turnover.

 

That's why even though he's the most obvious weakness, moving Gordon at this point shouldn't be considered a Top 1/2/3 priority.

 

The only other starter on the horizon would be Brett Myers, if he contract kicks in for 2013, but I can't believe KW would let that transpire. No way they can afford $10 million for a 7th/8th inning set-up guy with Thornton and Crain already making big dollars.

Mainly because many 70% (that's a guess) of hitters are right handed and righties traditionally hit lefties better . So having too many lefty starters is worse than having too many righty starters just because of the lefty/righty hitting advantage. The only advantage you have with so many lefty starters is that some of the stronger teams have very good LH hitters but overall against all teams there's a disadvantage.

 

Most LH hitters have more extreme platoon splits than RH hitters, not to mention that there are plenty of RH hitters who actually hit RH pitchers better. I don't remember which thread, but I looked up the platoon splits for this season and most of the playoff contenders as a team hit RH pitchers much better than LH pitchers, so I don't think having four lefty starters is a problem at all.

Is this actual injury or 'short leash' ?

 

You don't pull your started for a fake injury in the second inning.

Gavin likely to the DL, in case anyone didn't guess.

So, does KW go with the guns he has, or is he looking at the waiver wire