Big Hurt35 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I'd like to see the Sox make a trade for Carlos Marmol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) Dude had a WHIP of 1.54 in 2012. PASS. Edited December 9, 2012 by whitesox901 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurt35 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Dude had a WHIP of 1.54 in 2012. PASS. Â There isn't many great options out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 With the amount of youth in the bullpen...play the kids. Â If the bullpen struggles too much in the first half, bullpen assistance is always available if it becomes needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Reed Thornton Crain Jones Veal Omogrosso/? Septimo/? Â Could be a solid pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurt35 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Hahn has mentioned he is looking to add a bullpen arm that can close games as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 QUOTE (Sox1 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) Hahn has mentioned he is looking to add a bullpen arm that can close games as well  I don't know about Marmol, but that wouldn't be a bad thing to add a potential closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Well, I really wanted Soria, but that ship has sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Mike Adams still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 09:46 PM) Mike Adams still available? Â Â I think he is and they kicked thiose tires sort of speak. But, if we don't make a trade we have plenty of folks in the pen now or potential candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (Sox1 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 03:06 PM) There isn't many great options out there. Â He isn't even a good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 08:19 PM) He isn't even a good option. Â Contreras el duke he can't be over 60 he'd get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (Sox1 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I'd like to see the Sox make a trade for Carlos Marmol  He obviously isn't a guy who listens to coaching, or he would have been fixed at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 02:46 PM) Mike Adams still available? Â Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (forrestg @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 12:32 AM) Contreras el duke he can't be over 60 he'd get it done You know that's two guys, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Upgrading the pen with a more experienced arm isn't a bad thing, but it should be way down the list of priorities. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner10 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) You know that's two guys, right? He wants their offspring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) You know that's two guys, right? sorry your'e right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) Upgrading the pen with a more experienced arm isn't a bad thing, but it should be way down the list of priorities. Â I disagree. I posted something awhile back arguing that the bullpen is likely the place where the Sox could make the biggest difference between 2012 and 2013. I think our bullpen lost 23 games, 10 by Thornton alone. The Tigers were almost as bad, but Oakland, Baltimore, NY, and Texas were all far better. You could argue that the difference between the Oakland and Baltimore pens and the Los Angeles and Tampa pens put the former in the playoffs and kept the latter two teams out. Â Most of the rest of the team is set at this point. If you added a veteran arm who might close, you could jettison Thornton and use the young guys to set up, especially now that they have a year under their belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 12:03 AM) I disagree. I posted something awhile back arguing that the bullpen is likely the place where the Sox could make the biggest difference between 2012 and 2013. I think our bullpen lost 23 games, 10 by Thornton alone. The Tigers were almost as bad, but Oakland, Baltimore, NY, and Texas were all far better. You could argue that the difference between the Oakland and Baltimore pens and the Los Angeles and Tampa pens put the former in the playoffs and kept the latter two teams out. Â Most of the rest of the team is set at this point. If you added a veteran arm who might close, you could jettison Thornton and use the young guys to set up, especially now that they have a year under their belts. Â If you have those 10 games, or if it isn't too much trouble, I'd like to see the games you believe Thornton lost. I was at a game in Minnesota in which Thornton induced a double play with the bases loaded and no outs that one could argue won the Sox the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 01:03 AM) I disagree. I posted something awhile back arguing that the bullpen is likely the place where the Sox could make the biggest difference between 2012 and 2013. I think our bullpen lost 23 games, 10 by Thornton alone. The Tigers were almost as bad, but Oakland, Baltimore, NY, and Texas were all far better. You could argue that the difference between the Oakland and Baltimore pens and the Los Angeles and Tampa pens put the former in the playoffs and kept the latter two teams out. Â Most of the rest of the team is set at this point. If you added a veteran arm who might close, you could jettison Thornton and use the young guys to set up, especially now that they have a year under their belts. I think you're completely right that the Bullpen is a place where the Sox can seriously improve their year over year performance. Â I disagree with you that the Sox are going to significantly improve the performance of their bullpen by trading away a piece like Thornton and then spending his money on the FA market. Even though Thornton was at best iffy last year...$5-7 million for 1 year buys you a reliever who is occasionally iffy these days. If you want to spend >$10 million on Soriano, then you're talking a serious upgrade...but that's just not in the cards. Â If the Sox are going to significantly improve the bullpen, it will happen because guys like Reed, Jones, Veal, Omo, etc., are no longer rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 12:03 AM) I disagree. I posted something awhile back arguing that the bullpen is likely the place where the Sox could make the biggest difference between 2012 and 2013. I think our bullpen lost 23 games, 10 by Thornton alone. The Tigers were almost as bad, but Oakland, Baltimore, NY, and Texas were all far better. You could argue that the difference between the Oakland and Baltimore pens and the Los Angeles and Tampa pens put the former in the playoffs and kept the latter two teams out. Â Most of the rest of the team is set at this point. If you added a veteran arm who might close, you could jettison Thornton and use the young guys to set up, especially now that they have a year under their belts. Â Our bullpen was almost entirely rookies for good chunks of the season as well. I am also curious who this mystery "veteran arm who might close" is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 07:59 AM) If the Sox are going to significantly improve the bullpen, it will happen because guys like Reed, Jones, Veal, Omo, etc., are no longer rookies. Â Thank you - that is what I was getting at. I see lots of reason to believe the bullpen improves - because it was the most rookie-heavy pen in all of baseball. Â Â QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 08:02 AM) Our bullpen was almost entirely rookies for good chunks of the season as well. I am also curious who this mystery "veteran arm who might close" is? Â Adams is the guy I've seen talked about, but who knows who else they may be shopping for. I just don't see it as a good use of resources, unless they are just not able to upgrade elsewhere at all. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 07:03 AM) I disagree. I posted something awhile back arguing that the bullpen is likely the place where the Sox could make the biggest difference between 2012 and 2013. I think our bullpen lost 23 games, 10 by Thornton alone. The Tigers were almost as bad, but Oakland, Baltimore, NY, and Texas were all far better. You could argue that the difference between the Oakland and Baltimore pens and the Los Angeles and Tampa pens put the former in the playoffs and kept the latter two teams out. Â Most of the rest of the team is set at this point. If you added a veteran arm who might close, you could jettison Thornton and use the young guys to set up, especially now that they have a year under their belts. Â Every year people think the Sox will have a good bullpen and it annually sucks. Sox don't have any reliable relievers who get on a roll where they are unhittable. We're dead if our starters come out in the sixth cause that means way too many relievers will pitch that night. If the Sox go with 4 relievers on a given night you can bet one or two of them will suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 05:27 PM) Every year people think the Sox will have a good bullpen and it annually sucks. Sox don't have any reliable relievers who get on a roll where they are unhittable. We're dead if our starters come out in the sixth cause that means way too many relievers will pitch that night. If the Sox go with 4 relievers on a given night you can bet one or two of them will suck. The latter 2 clauses are pretty much the case with most teams, and it seems like several of our guys went on unhittable rolls at different points in the season last year (Reed, Veal, and Jones immediately come to mind as having them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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