Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 09:58 AM) IIRC you were gung ho for Grienke at the deadline. and your second "want" was Juan Pierre as a platoon. I dont really think they would have won the division if either of those deals were made That would have been more than enough to make up a 3 game difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) That would have been more than enough to make up a 3 game difference. Who do you think we could have traded for Grienke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:08 AM) Who do you think we could have traded for Grienke? Juan would not have been platooning. We both know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:08 AM) Who do you think we could have traded for Grienke? If they would have traded for Grienke they win the division. If they couldn't make a deal for Grienke they still win the division if they sit Viciedo v. rh'ers the last two months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:09 AM) Juan would not have been platooning. We both know that. Your reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) Your reason? Viciedo would have had to be included in a trade for Greinke. He wasnt going to Milwaukee for minor leaguers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:14 AM) Viciedo would have had to be included in a trade for Greinke. He wasnt going to Milwaukee for minor leaguers Sox still win the division. Liriano was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Sox still win the division. Liriano was awful. your reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Sox still win the division. Liriano was awful. I don't think the Sox record in Liriano's starts was much different than the Angels record in Greinke's starts. Advanced metrics would show Greinke the better pitcher, but for 12 or 13 starts, the wins and losses during their starts, especially since they obviously were rentals, would be a very meaningful number. It really doesn't matter if you win 6-5 or 6-1. Edited January 22, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:19 AM) your reason? Grienke was much better than Liriano and a Juan Pierre/Connor Jackson platoon would have replaced Viciedo adequately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:20 AM) I don't think the Sox record in Liriano's starts was much different than the Angels record in Greinke's starts. Advanced metrics would show Greinke the better pitcher, but for 12 or 13 starts, the wins and losses during their starts, especially since they obviously were rentals, would be a very meaningful number. It really doesn't matter if you win 6-5 or 6-1. Liriano was a bullpen killer with those 5 inning starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) If they would have traded for Grienke they win the division. If they couldn't make a deal for Grienke they still win the division if they sit Viciedo v. rh'ers the last two months. The odds are to get Grienke, we would have had to give up some portion of our major league roster. Doing that neutralizes the return on investment for Grienke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) Liriano was a bullpen killer with those 5 inning starts. The bullpen was pretty good after the trade deadline. Jones was on fire. Veal was great. Who wore down because of Liriano? He made 4 starts with 5 innings or less with the Sox. 6 innings a start gets you almost 200 for the season. You are talking about 4 innings, and half the time it was with expanded rosters. Liriano sucked, but Grienke wouldn't have made a difference, and the Sox would be out some talent right now. Also, Juan Pierre was awful in August offensively and we know singles in LF are always potential doubles if when it is hit to him in LF. Edited January 22, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) Grienke was much better than Liriano and a Juan Pierre/Connor Jackson platoon would have replaced Viciedo adequately. Huh, I dont remember Greinke looking that much different than Liriano when the Sox bombed him out of the Cell in his second start. The place where he hated to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Grienke was much better than Liriano and a Juan Pierre/Connor Jackson platoon would have replaced Viciedo adequately. Juan Pierre is bad at baseball. He's an upgrade over nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) Huh, I dont remember Greinke looking that much different than Liriano when the Sox bombed him out of the Cell in his second start. The place where he hated to pitch. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) I didn't think KW did a great job at the deadline last year. Had they addressed their easiest correctable issue, a platoon partner for Viciedo, they may have won the division. I guess I just disagree that a platoon partner for Viciedo was their biggest need. Third base, IMO, was way more important, and I'm fine with KW shoring up the bu,llpen and adding a starter, which he did. Platoon partner for Viciedo would have helped last year, but it had to be 4th or 5th on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) I guess I just disagree that a platoon partner for Viciedo was their biggest need. Third base, IMO, was way more important, and I'm fine with KW shoring up the bu,llpen and adding a starter, which he did. Platoon partner for Viciedo would have helped last year, but it had to be 4th or 5th on the list. We had Wise and/or Danks as lefty swinging outfielders on the bench that could have platooned with Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) I guess I just disagree that a platoon partner for Viciedo was their biggest need. Third base, IMO, was way more important, and I'm fine with KW shoring up the bu,llpen and adding a starter, which he did. Platoon partner for Viciedo would have helped last year, but it had to be 4th or 5th on the list. Platooning Viciedo was the easiest problem to fix. It amazed me that they kept sending him out there against RH'ers when he was so overmatched. I thought it was because they were trying to keep his trade value high, but after the deadline he continued to contribute to sucking the life out of the bottom of the order vs. rh'ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Platooning Viciedo was the easiest problem to fix. It amazed me that they kept sending him out there against RH'ers when he was so overmatched. I thought it was because they were trying to keep his trade value high, but after the deadline he continued to contribute to sucking the life out of the bottom of the order vs. rh'ers. Paging Dick Allen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Platooning Viciedo was the easiest problem to fix. It amazed me that they kept sending him out there against RH'ers when he was so overmatched. I thought it was because they were trying to keep his trade value high, but after the deadline he continued to contribute to sucking the life out of the bottom of the order vs. rh'ers. Who was going to be a 3 win player in platoon situations over two months that the Sox could bring in, and what would they need to give up to get them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) Platooning Viciedo was the easiest problem to fix. It amazed me that they kept sending him out there against RH'ers when he was so overmatched. I thought it was because they were trying to keep his trade value high, but after the deadline he continued to contribute to sucking the life out of the bottom of the order vs. rh'ers. I don't see this. If Viciedo can't hit right handed pitchers he shouldn't and wouldn't be on this team. I think there are a lot more RHP's then LHP's so his playing time would have been limited. If he has the potential the Sox think he has then he needs to start everday and learn to be more selective at the plate. I think he did improve and I am looking for good things from him this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 12:48 PM) Who was going to be a 3 win player in platoon situations over two months that the Sox could bring in, and what would they need to give up to get them? Barry Bonds in his steroid prime would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 02:20 PM) Barry Bonds in his steroid prime would have been. We could have brought Mike Trout up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The Sox rotation and pen will be very solid. I can't wait for the season to start. Will be at the Cell for about 30 games this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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