September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 09:35 AM) Right, but you come to the same deduction for the same reason - playing time. Sale's playing time would account for 74.4% of Felix's playing time. Felix is more deserving of the Cy Young because he's been on the field for a much more significant amount of time. And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too.
September 16, 201411 yr I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. He's been phenomenal. I'm in agreement with the general consensus that Chris Sale is the best pitcher in the AL, but he simply hasn't pitched enough this year to earn it. There's always next year!
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. The NL situation, where Kershaw and Wainwright probably finish 1-2 if the season were done today, provides a fine example of that. Edited September 16, 201411 yr by shysocks
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no. Ha I heard that and it bothered me as well. Something really stupid to be bothered by but oh well.
September 16, 201411 yr It's odd as I think Sale has been the best pitcher in the AL this year but I'd vote for Felix to be the cy young.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) Ha I heard that and it bothered me as well. Something really stupid to be bothered by but oh well. Did they mean the top lefthanded pitchers that were available for trade?
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 12:32 PM) Did they mean the top lefthanded pitchers that were available for trade? I'm not sure what they meant but they definitely said "two best left handers in the American league" or something along those lines.
September 16, 201411 yr It was Kirkjian and definitely did not add a "available for trade" qualifier.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no. Pitchers better than Sale: Kershaw That's it. QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) The NL situation, where Kershaw and Wainwright probably finish 1-2 if the season were done today, provides a fine example of that. If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw. I don't see it that way, for reasons already stated. Kershaw's numbers so eclipse the competition that the missed time isn't much of a factor. He'll run away with the award, and Sale won't.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Kershaw only has to deal with 8 hitters though. So do all the other pitchers in the running for the NL Cy Young.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) So do all the other pitchers in the running for the NL Cy Young. I was saying that for someone who thinks Kershaw is better than Sale.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) Pitchers better than Sale: Kershaw That's it. If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw. Kershaw is head and shoulders above the next guy in the NL, will probably win 20 games (which voters still look at) and is still going to end up with over 200 innings.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:12 PM) Kershaw only has to deal with 8 hitters though. In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307 So they're all awful pitchers is what you're trying to get at.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307 Adjust for home park and you can squint and see a case that Sale is the best of the three.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) I was saying that for someone who thinks Kershaw is better than Sale. Oh ok
September 16, 201411 yr Pitchers have 45 PAs against Kershaw. They have 3 hits (1 2B), 1 BB, 21 K, and 5 sacrifice bunts. .077/.100/.103
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. Right, which is why everyone is ignoring the fact that Kershaw and Sale missed the EXACT same amount of time with an injury. Kershaw is so far ahead of anyone in the NL that no one cares to remember he has pitched less innings than everyone else. Sale isn't that far ahead of Felix to where IP doesn't matter. This is why I think the only chance Sale has is to go 8 IP+ each of his next starts, giving up 1 ER or less each time, and Felix getting hit around and seeing his ERA jump above 2.40. Then Sale will have a good chance if he does something like.... 24 IP, 3 ER over those last 3 starts, giving him 187 IP and a 1.88 ERA. And Felix comes out with something like.... 17 IP, 12 ER over those last 3 starts, giving him 236 IP and a 2.44 ERA That half a run+ on ERA may make up the difference in his IP, but even then it would probably be a close race.
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) Pitchers have 45 PAs against Kershaw. They have 3 hits (1 2B), 1 BB, 21 K, and 5 sacrifice bunts. .077/.100/.103 So Kershaw has pitched approximately 15 innings worth of *yawn How many pitchers has Sale gone up against this year? Edited September 16, 201411 yr by pettie4sox
September 16, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) I just missed Sale on Intentional Talk.....anybody got a video on it? I missed it too, but they usually put at least a portion of the interview online either later today or tomorrow.
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