witesoxfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:09 PM) There are surely minor league players involved in this. Murmurs that Taijuan Walker going to TB If the M's gave up Walker and Franklin for Austin Jackson, Jack Z should be fired on the spot. #JumpToConclusionMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:09 PM) Price, Scherzer, Sanchez, Verlander vs. Lester, Gray, Kazmir, Samardzija That could be a fun ALCS And the A's will still lose to the Tigers like always and the Tigers will lose to the Cardinals or the f**king Giants. Edited July 31, 2014 by JPN366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:10 PM) Shiiit. That's it? There's just gotta be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Walker not involved. Nothing else involving SEA beyond Franklin and Jackson. There are surely MiLB guys involved, even if not of great consequence. David Cameron @DCameronFG 5m David Price is very good. David Price, at $20 million next year? No one was giving up the farm for that. David Cameron @DCameronFG 5m If your argument is that “David Price is awesome and Drew Smyly is not”, you need to factor in contracts. Price’s isn’t great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynotletitfly Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 3-way trade. Austin Jackson to Seattle. Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly to Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:10 PM) That is terrible. Just hold onto him for the rest of the season and try in the off-season and or again at next years deadline. Brutual by Rays; Great move by Tigers. Agreed. They didn't have to make the trade now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I'm with Dave Cameron. You get a really good young starting pitcher as well as an undervalued middle infielder who has already been okay in the major leagues, and you get out from under ~$25M of salary commitments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Willy Adames SS prospect going to TB as well. Per Rosenthal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Way to break a story there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Nice prospect. JJ Cooper says their fourth, another reporter says many rival execs thought he was best remaining piece in their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) The value in the trade went to the Mariners. What a steal they got. A clown trade for Tampa - pitiful, really. I don't understand Cameron suggesting Price is overpaid at $20 mill...he really isn't. Edited July 31, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) Walker not involved. Nothing else involving SEA beyond Franklin and Jackson. There are surely MiLB guys involved, even if not of great consequence. David Cameron @DCameronFG 5m David Price is very good. David Price, at $20 million next year? No one was giving up the farm for that. David Cameron @DCameronFG 5m If your argument is that “David Price is awesome and Drew Smyly is not”, you need to factor in contracts. Price’s isn’t great. LOL. Price @ 20M is just fine. It isn't like it is 20M for 5 years. This is so laughable how stupid some of this statisticians have gotten. I almost wish Kenny was back in charge the way some teams have started to completely overvalue prospects, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 There just aren't a bunch of teams that can take on that salary, especially if they have to gut their system just for the right to pay it and then see the guy walk away a year and a half later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Welcome to Soxtalk, the bulk of the discussion has been happening here. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:34 PM) There just aren't a bunch of teams that can take on that salary, especially if they have to gut their system just for the right to pay it and then see the guy walk away a year and a half later Tigers didn't gut themselves at all to get Price. If you are a legit contender, you can afford Price and even ride him out now and put him up for sale again in the off-season if you really wanted to. The, oh his production is close to 20M so you shouldn't give up anything for him is nonsense. It isn't like you can just find a guy like that and offer him a one year contract. It just means you shouldn't get a premium, above his already stellar production, to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) LOL. Price @ 20M is just fine. It isn't like it is 20M for 5 years. This is so laughable how stupid some of this statisticians have gotten. I almost wish Kenny was back in charge the way some teams have started to completely overvalue prospects, etc. If anything, I would have expected Cameron to say Price is well worth it at $20 million. He is. He's a 5 WAR pitcher. That's worth at least $25 million on a one year contract. But I think his point is this: Price at $20 million is a lot of money, regardless of how much money you have or how valuable he actually is. Paying him that money AND giving up 6 years of control of good prospects is not worth it. You also have to take into account that the Rays aren't exactly rich. $20 million is like 1/4 of their payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) If anything, I would have expected Cameron to say Price is well worth it at $20 million. He is. He's a 5 WAR pitcher. That's worth at least $25 million on a one year contract. But I think his point is this: Price at $20 million is a lot of money, regardless of how much money you have or how valuable he actually is. Paying him that money AND giving up 6 years of control of good prospects is not worth it. You also have to take into account that the Rays aren't exactly rich. $20 million is like 1/4 of their payroll. Where was this logic then when the Tigers convinced Texas to take Prince and give them Kinsler? Edited July 31, 2014 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:41 PM) Where was this logic then when the Tigers convinced Texas to take Prince and give them Kinsler? That was an absolute heist by Dombrowski. One of the most lopsided trades in years, even with the Tigers eating however much money they ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) That was an absolute heist by Dombrowski. One of the most lopsided trades in years, even with the Tigers eating however much money they ate. No doubt. Finding someone to take the contract, with all of the other massive deals they have on their books, was huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 So Rajai Davis is now the Tigers starting CF? Oh boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) So Rajai Davis is now the Tigers starting CF? Oh boy. Their defense just got exponentially worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Wow, Det is really going for it but their defense once again suffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) Their defense just got exponentially worse. And it was bad to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Stone said he ran into someone and asked who their CF will be and the guy said someone in AAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:09 PM) Price, Scherzer, Sanchez, Verlander vs. Lester, Gray, Kazmir, Samardzija That could be a fun ALCS Low scoring... like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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