We know winning means little to you, so no reason to weigh in.

 

You hold on to the past like an ex-wife. This is right up your alley.

Last time he said that, the Sox did win the division.

No s***?

 

I couldn't remember what the year was when he said that.

OK, let's look at it this way:

 

A. Jackson 5 years with Detroit: .277 .342 .413 .755

Cespedes 3 years with Oakland: .262 .318 .470 .788

Cespedes 1 year with D. Tigers: .293 .323 .506 .829

Cespedes 1 year with Red Sox: .269 .296 .423 .719

 

I'm simply wondering if their respective performances, last season, might have been outliers.

Of course, Cespedes has more raw power, but you have to wonder if he is really as good as those numbers with the Mets suggests.

 

Cespedes has played 4 full seasons . To be more correct 2.5 with Oakland, .5 year with the Tigers, .5 with Boston, .5 with the Mets.

 

Cespedes may not be a great hitter if you look at his overall numbers and I can also agree his time with the Mets could be called an outlier. However what cannot be called an outlier is through all 4 years the way he hits with RISP . Those numbers are great. The stats with RISP with the Mets was not an outlier because he has done it every year.

You hold on to the past like an ex-wife. This is right up your alley.

Nothing of quality to offer up, just the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism of the crack management team of the Sox? Well color me SHOCKED! So unlike you.

The most frustrating thing about the three year talk is their refusal to adapt to the modern market. It just seems smug to me at times. Granted I would rather not tie a ton of money into one player but when you constantly say you're going to go for it, then go half way and say "hey we tried." It's a little insulting to the fan base. Especially when they way they've been operating hasn't brought any excitement in quite a while.

Edited January 19, 201610 yr by Sockin

Still would love to know what caused Tigers to go after Upton instead of Cespedes.

Nothing of quality to offer up, just the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism of the crack management team of the Sox? Well color me SHOCKED! So unlike you.

Detroit has a $200 million oayroll. Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst,

Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done.

At the deadline, we were 2 games below .500 and very much in the wild card race.

Did we buy? No.

Did we sell? No.

We did absolutely nothing, which was the worst thing we could have done, as we finished out of the playoffs and did not gain any players via trade.

 

Now, we have this awkwardly-comprised roster of some very good players and some very subpar players. We are a big move away from being actual contenders. We are a few blockbuster trades away from being stocked with prospects. What will we do? Well, we've already started buying (Frazier, Lawrie), so the logical decision is to continue to do so. But. what will we actually do? Well... probably nothing.

Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done.

I sincerely hope that you're being sarcastic. 3/27 is horrid.

The most frustrating thing about the three year talk is their refusal to adapt to the modern market. It just seems smug to me at times.

 

Just tells me they didn't really want any of these guys.

Still would love to know what caused Tigers to go after Upton instead of Cespedes.

He is younger and outside of last season, better.

 

 

I sincerely hope that you're being sarcastic. 3/27 is horrid.

 

I am, but it seems right up their alley. These big FA's should WANT to come play for US.

 

Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done.

Maybe 27 mil per year....

Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done.

 

Ok that sounds like bull

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25454143

I've seen less drama on Jerry Springer.

 

Get a clue dude. Thad Bosley's post is an incredibly rational post, and it makes a ton of sense. Chiding him for a well thought out post like that is classless, especially from someone like yourself, a board administrator who should be an example-setter.

 

The writing is on the wall if the Sox refuse to pony up for Cespedes' demands. In this market, whether there are bidders or not, he deserves a contract in the Gordon-Upton range. If the Sox don't pay the price and sign Cespedes, you will see a lot of already complacent Sox fans questioning ownership's commitment to winning even further. No Sox fan should be happy trotting out Garcia, Fowler or Jackson after what our main divisional rivals have done to improve!

 

The Tigers already had a good offense, and they signed Upton. The Royals won the World Series. We have a crappy offense with some promising additions, but there is still no guarantee that this offense won't have huge issues with run production. I understand signing Cespedes does not guarantee a division title or wild card, but mark my words, if the Sox don't sign Cespedes, they will not win either.

 

 

@jonheyman angels absolutely must sign cespedes. they have mishmash in LF, lack offense at 4 positions. YC had .909 ops vs rhp in '15

Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done.

He HAS to mean 27 million per year.

Just tells me they didn't really want any of these guys.

I would be fine with passing on all 3 of them, but don't go out there and give up a pick to sign a guy like fowler....have a bad feeling something like that will be coming down the road here shortly though.

Detroit has a $200 million oayroll. Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst,

On the latter, I'm with you. 100%. No argument there, and I'm glad you finally looked at the overwhelming evidence that got you to that undeniable conclusion.

 

On the former, you gotta admire a team and an owner who not only claim they want to win a championship, but back it up in actions. They certainly aren't trying to do so by entering free agency and trying to sign top tier talent to below market contracts.

Edited January 19, 201610 yr by Thad Bosley

Maybe 27 mil per year....

 

There is no way that the White Sox are offering Cespedes $27M per season, even on a shorter term deal. No way.

I want Cespedes, but not if he's going to require somewhere in the range of 6/150. That would be horrible.

With everything that's been said. It does seem that the pressure is mounting for the White Sox to do something. Especially now that Upton signed with Detroit.

I would be fine with passing on all 3 of them, but don't go out there and give up a pick to sign a guy like fowler....have a bad feeling something like that will be coming down the road here shortly though.

 

Still would rather have Desmond and Jackson