This fantasy world you live in where Hillary Clinton doesn't pander to her crowds...where do you find it?

 

I know, everything Trump says is a lie, and everything Clinton says is fact...again, what drugs are you on? No, seriously.

 

I live in the real world where Trump changes his policies sometimes literally mid-sentence and Clinton does not. That doesn't really have anything to do with lies or thinking Clinton is infallible (she isn't, I'm not thrilled with her and didn't vote for her in the primary). But it's simply delusional to cling to the same 'not a dime's worth of difference' garbage when it comes to Trump.

This is only true if you don't actually look at how frequently Trump and Clinton change their policy positions. Trump gives a different policy at different times on the same day.

 

Sure, if you want to inject timelines into it...but I've been around long enough to have seen Hillary pander, too. Trump is just another animal, and my opinion on him is clear as day around here, and has been from the start...he's a troll, and I STILL believe he's doing this for nothing but ego stroking fame that keeps his name in the news.

 

I can't take him seriously as a presidential candidate regardless of his policy stances, whether they change from minute to minute means nothing since I don't take them seriously in the first place.

 

That being said, I don't take much of what Hillary Clinton says at face value, either...she's just a professional on an entirely different level than Trump is. She's in a different league. Trump is playing the game of politics. Hillary Clinton was practically born into politics, molded by it...kind of like how Bane was born into and molded by darkness.

Worth it for last line.

Sure, if you want to inject timelines into it...but I've been around long enough to have seen Hillary pander, too. Trump is just another animal, and my opinion on him is clear as day around here, and has been from the start...he's a troll, and I STILL believe he's doing this for nothing but ego stroking fame that keeps his name in the news.

 

I can't take him seriously as a presidential candidate regardless of his policy stances, whether they change from minute to minute means nothing since I don't take them seriously in the first place.

 

That being said, I don't take much of what Hillary Clinton says at face value, either...she's just a professional on an entirely different level than Trump is. She's in a different league. Trump is playing the game of politics. Hillary Clinton was practically born into politics, molded by it...kind of like how Bane was born into and molded by darkness.

 

Yes, I do want to inject timelines into it because it's a pretty big difference if you change your stances over the course of years/decades versus over the course of seconds/hours. I agree that Trump's stroking his ego, but he's still the Republican nominee and has a (outside) shot at being President.

 

Clinton, like every candidate for President ever, knows that they won't get 100% of their agenda put into place. She'll almost definitely have to deal with a Republican House and possibly with a Republican Senate. Running on a policy platform that can't be completely enacted isn't "pandering" to me, but that's just a semantic quibble. She's otherwise fairly upfront with what she wants, and her history gives a pretty good indication of how she'd govern (center-left but moving more liberal, hawkish). Trump is playing the game of ego-stroking reality TV star narcissist who spouts nonsense and hate pretty much non-stop.

Yes, I do want to inject timelines into it because it's a pretty big difference if you change your stances over the course of years/decades versus over the course of seconds/hours. I agree that Trump's stroking his ego, but he's still the Republican nominee and has a (outside) shot at being President.

 

Clinton, like every candidate for President ever, knows that they won't get 100% of their agenda put into place. She'll almost definitely have to deal with a Republican House and possibly with a Republican Senate. Running on a policy platform that can't be completely enacted isn't "pandering" to me, but that's just a semantic quibble. She's otherwise fairly upfront with what she wants, and her history gives a pretty good indication of how she'd govern (center-left but moving more liberal, hawkish). Trump is playing the game of ego-stroking reality TV star narcissist who spouts nonsense and hate pretty much non-stop.

 

I'm convinced Clinton is a lock. Trump may get a short term bump at some point, but just let him talk...the more he talks, the more he buries his own chances.

 

That said, fine, with the timelines I agree...but I'm also no fan of Trump. I'm still weary of another member of the US Monarchy, however...that being of the Bush/Clinton monarchy.

 

I think she will govern close to how her husband did, to be honest. She's not the worst candidate I've seen -- despite what a lot of people want to claim -- but the idea of another member of the royal us family bothers me. What Clinton means to me is more of the same...nothing major will change, and if it does, it'll become some bastardized version of what they wanted ala the ACA.

Let's just hope the husband to wife handoff is better than in Argentina.

I'm convinced Clinton is a lock. Trump may get a short term bump at some point, but just let him talk...the more he talks, the more he buries his own chances.

 

I pretty much agree there. Barring some major unforeseen event (and even a terrorist attack probably wouldn't do it, given how poorly he responded Orlando), Trump doesn't really stand a chance given 1) how disliked he is and 2) how incompetently his campaign is being run

 

 

I think she will govern close to how her husband did, to be honest. She's not the worst candidate I've seen -- despite what a lot of people want to claim -- but the idea of another member of the royal us family bothers me. What Clinton means to me is more of the same...nothing major will change, and if it does, it'll become some bastardized version of what they wanted ala the ACA.

 

And that's more or less why I'm voting for her come November, plus the ever-important SC nomination(s).

The latest BENGHAZI! investigation report was released today. Shockingly, it found pretty much no new information and nothing important after 2 years.

The latest BENGHAZI! investigation report was released today. Shockingly, it found pretty much no new information and nothing important after 2 years.

 

They should issue a new report on Obama's birth certificate while they're at it.

The latest BENGHAZI! investigation report was released today. Shockingly, it found pretty much no new information and nothing important after 2 years.

 

EMAILS

They should issue a new report on Obama's birth certificate while they're at it.

 

They are trying to but the Kenyan government won't release it.

The latest BENGHAZI! investigation report was released today. Shockingly, it found pretty much no new information and nothing important after 2 years.

The government is so corrupt you thought they'd get Hillary on something there? I love listening to Jesse Ventura talk about America. He was a loyal Navy Seal who believed in government. He points out how corrupt it all is with politicians getting paid off. After Ventura won he said he'd meet with no lobbyists because they didn't give him a cent during his campaign and didn't need to listen to anybody cause he wasn't bought.

Just the amounts of money Hillary got for speaking, one big lol and to the companies she'll be doing favors for. She's "raised" more money for her campaign than Bill Gates is worth (well, almost).

 

I can't believe there are Hillary supporters out there still. I was reading an Internet ad for Hillary. Somebody was saying they'd vote for her cause she has a big heart. What?? Where do they come up with these things. She's the definition of selfish elitist and she has a big heart?

The government is so corrupt you thought they'd get Hillary on something there? I love listening to Jesse Ventura talk about America. He was a loyal Navy Seal who believed in government. He points out how corrupt it all is with politicians getting paid off. After Ventura won he said he'd meet with no lobbyists because they didn't give him a cent during his campaign and didn't need to listen to anybody cause he wasn't bought.

Just the amounts of money Hillary got for speaking, one big lol and to the companies she'll be doing favors for. She's "raised" more money for her campaign than Bill Gates is worth (well, almost).

 

I can't believe there are Hillary supporters out there still. I was reading an Internet ad for Hillary. Somebody was saying they'd vote for her cause she has a big heart. What?? Where do they come up with these things. She's the definition of selfish elitist and she has a big heart?

Yeah, the Republicans have no interest in finding anything out about Hillary. They didn't even try. They blew 2 years and a couple million dollars on blow.

Greg...she's raised $230M.

 

Bill Gates is worth nearly $80B.

Greg...she's raised $230M.

 

Bill Gates is wroth nearly $80B.

He said "almost."

Greg...she's raised $230M.

 

Bill Gates is wroth nearly $80B.

I'm convinced Clinton is a lock. Trump may get a short term bump at some point, but just let him talk...the more he talks, the more he buries his own chances.

 

That said, fine, with the timelines I agree...but I'm also no fan of Trump. I'm still weary of another member of the US Monarchy, however...that being of the Bush/Clinton monarchy.

 

I think she will govern close to how her husband did, to be honest. She's not the worst candidate I've seen -- despite what a lot of people want to claim -- but the idea of another member of the royal us family bothers me. What Clinton means to me is more of the same...nothing major will change, and if it does, it'll become some bastardized version of what they wanted ala the ACA.

I agree with all of this. i'm not a fan of either Trump or clinton. My only hope for this entire election is that people will realize that more of the same just isn't working and hopefully in 2020 a good candidate will emerge.

I agree with all of this. i'm not a fan of either Trump or clinton. My only hope for this entire election is that people will realize that more of the same just isn't working and hopefully in 2020 a good candidate will emerge.

 

We got something that wasn't more of the same. And it somehow managed to be WAY WORSE.

What are you referring to?

He said "almost."

What are you referring to?

 

Trump.

Trump.

 

For example, a fundraising email stating that you will throw your political opponent in jail once you win is pretty far off 'more of the same' American politics, but it's also pretty terrible.

 

Greg! Did you see this!?! Hilary exonerated....again!! Why aren't we talking about it??

OMGZZZZ

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-l...it-wont-matter/

Trump.

I don't think he has a realistic shot at winning. I'm hoping for something different yet has credible chance of winning.

Brexit is just one more weapon that will be used against Donald Trump.

 

Financial markets HATE HATE HATE uncertainty.

 

And Trump's the definition of that, from a governing/policy standpoint. When your first thought about him is...."do you REALLY want him having the ability to launch a nuclear attack at 3 a.m. while you're sleeping?" most pragmatic/realistic Americans will end up in the Clinton camp because we as a country prefer small changes, not radical ones. She represents the status quo, and that would normally get you killed this electoral season, but it's probably the one thing that saves her, being the establishment candidate running against a Molotov cocktail thrower.