February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Sometimes it better to watch with your eyes instead of relying on unreliable metrics. It's confirmed by the eye test. That Bill James guy...what the hell does he know about baseball right?
February 22, 201610 yr NO idea if relevant or not... Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 6m6 minutes ago Source: Shane Victorino still looking for major-league deal, could close in on one in next few days.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) How would it suck vs LHP? Melky is a switch hitter and is decent from the right side, Shuck has reverse splits, and Sands can rake lefties. Shuck and his amazing reverse splits of a .683 OPS. Melky couldn't have been much worse against LHP last year. Be nice to get another righty bat out there, especially with how bad Eaton was against LHP last year as well.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:39 PM) NO idea if relevant or not... Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 6m6 minutes ago Source: Shane Victorino still looking for major-league deal, could close in on one in next few days. Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 7m7 minutes ago On Victorino: Cleveland was in before signing Rajai Davis, Cubs are a speculative fit, Rangers not yet interested in giving big-league deal.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) It's confirmed by the eye test. That Bill James guy...what the hell does he know about baseball right? You putting all your eggs in 1 basket to defend a point says all it needs to. I've watched multiple Cubs games last year & outside of bad jumps from time to time (hence the below average), he's not the liability you make him out to be.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) Shuck and his amazing reverse splits of a .683 OPS. Melky couldn't have been much worse against LHP last year. Be nice to get another righty bat out there, especially with how bad Eaton was against LHP last year as well. I don't know what to tell you. I'm trying to be optimistic. I want another righty bat as much as you, but I just can't see it happening at this point unless it's a similar type of deal like Rollins just got. Perhaps Hahn will try to add an outfielder off the scrap heap.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) Shuck and his amazing reverse splits of a .683 OPS. Melky couldn't have been much worse against LHP last year. Be nice to get another righty bat out there, especially with how bad Eaton was against LHP last year as well. There's not that many LHP in the MLB, so the season sample size for any given hitter against LHP is pretty small. Both Eaton and Melky were fine against LHP in 2014. Abreu is another one who was awful against LHP in 2015, but I wouldn't expect that to continue this year.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) You putting all your eggs in 1 basket to defend a point says all it needs to. I've watched multiple Cubs games last year & outside of bad jumps from time to time (hence the below average), he's not the liability you make him out to be. Forgive me if I don't take your judgement to heart. I'm not relying on your ability to judge defense. Edited February 22, 201610 yr by Baron
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:45 PM) There's not that many LHP in the MLB, so the season sample size for any given hitter against LHP is pretty small. Both Eaton and Melky were fine against LHP in 2014. Abreu is another one who was awful against LHP in 2015, but I wouldn't expect that to continue this year. Lawrie, Frazier and Navarro were good against LHP I believe last year. Just need one more bat you can play vs LHP so you don't have to count on LaRoche...or Shuck
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Forgive me if I don't take your judgement to heart. You don't need to, just saying that you taking flawed defensive metrics as the gospel is a skewed way of judging a player.
February 22, 201610 yr QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:47 PM) You don't need to, just saying that you taking flawed defensive metrics as the gospel is a skewed way of judging a player. Go back and re-read my first setence before the Bill James comment. Then get back to me.
February 23, 201610 yr Rosenthal mentioned Michael Saunders on Twitter a few minutes back. I wonder if he could be an option for the Sox. On paper, it makes sense. He's relatively young, cheap, left handed, solid defensively, can play center, and could platoon with Avi. Edited February 23, 201610 yr by ChiSoxFanMike
February 23, 201610 yr Looks like the three team trade is dead now. Tho bruce is still available. That said: The Reds have shown a willingness to trade Jay Bruce for a not-so-big return, and other teams could pounce knowing price is low. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/701997921940742146 If Bruce's trade value isn't huge what do you use guys think of him or should white sox go after him Edited February 23, 201610 yr by WhiteSoxLifer
February 23, 201610 yr I really do not want Bruce but if the cost for him is low enough, I wouldn't object.
February 23, 201610 yr I'd trade Avi and Petrika for him if the Reds threw in a little $ Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Knackattack
February 23, 201610 yr I really like Petricka. I hope the Sox don't trade him for someone fairly average or below.
February 23, 201610 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:33 AM) I really like Petricka. I hope the Sox don't trade him for someone fairly average or below. He needs another above average pitch to be useful.
February 23, 201610 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) I really like Petricka. I hope the Sox don't trade him for someone fairly average or below. What do you like about him? Groundball %? I'm really just curious as I think he's the bullpen guy that I'd move ideally. His Walks/Hits to K% is bad and a recipe for disaster at some point if you ask me.
February 23, 201610 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) What do you like about him? Groundball %? I'm really just curious as I think he's the bullpen guy that I'd move ideally. His Walks/Hits to K% is bad and a recipe for disaster at some point if you ask me. I think he is going to start striking people out a bit more, and he does keep the ball in the park. Plus he's a rubber arm. You can abuse him if necessary. Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Dick Allen
February 23, 201610 yr Can someone please explain to me why the Sox should get Bruce? Is it his below average offense, his below average defense, or his high salary? Which of those three is the big appeal?
February 23, 201610 yr QUOTE (Knackattack @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) I'd trade Avi and Petrika for him if the Reds threw in a little $ I'd do Petricka and Garcia for Bruce as well. Bruce has been bad but he offers LH power. I'd consider Saunders as well if it's cheap.
February 23, 201610 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) I'd do Petricka and Garcia for Bruce as well. Bruce has been bad but he offers LH power. I'd consider Saunders as well if it's cheap. Isn't Saunders knee the reason the trade didn't work?
February 23, 201610 yr Bruce is a marginal upgrade from AVI IF both repeat their last 2 seasons. Bruce hasn't had an OBP over .300 in the last 2 years. How much more of that kind of hitting do the Sox need? Bruce is worth a middle reliever, I guess. But that's about it. People constantly want to sell low and buy high, which is what dumping Avi would be. Much rather the Saunders side of that deal anyway, if he were healthy. Edited February 23, 201610 yr by GreenSox
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