GreenSox Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 So it looks like Cooper has fixed Shields....at least for now. 4 good starts in a row; went 8 last night. Assuming Hahn has seen reality re this team's chances.... is now the time to flip him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 So Erik Johnson has a sprained elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 Shields last 4 starts 28.1 IP 6ER 21H 7BB 0.988 WHIP 1.90ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 And a 4.90 FIP, 4.95xFIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) So it looks like Cooper has fixed Shields....at least for now. 4 good starts in a row; went 8 last night. Assuming Hahn has seen reality re this team's chances.... is now the time to flip him? Good question. Let's take a look at the facts on the ground as they exist today to see what the answer ought to be. Seller's market. Check. Sox are at .500, but in the 80% of the games they've played that did not feature Chris Sale on the bump, they've played to a .431 winning percentage. Check. Offense, once again, just like last year, near last in the league. Check. Six teams, including Boston and Toronto, ahead of the team for that second wild card spot. Check. You add all of that up and you easily get to the answer you are suggesting, GreenSox, the obvious and logical answer. Meanwhile, prepare yourself for a Jay Bruce announcement or the like between now and August 1st. Edited July 17, 2016 by Thad Bosley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Good question. Let's take a look at the facts on the ground as they exist today to see what the answer ought to be. Seller's market. Check. Sox are at .500, but in the 80% of the games they've played that did not feature Chris Sale on the bump, they've played to a .431 winning percentage. Check. Offense, once again, just like last year, near last in the league. Check. Six teams, including Boston and Toronto, ahead of the team for that second wild card spot. Check. You add all of that up and you easily get to the answer you are suggesting, GreenSox, the obvious and logical answer. Meanwhile, prepare yourself for a Jay Bruce announcement or the like between now and August 1st. Owner trying to win sucks Lose, lose, lose then Thad can keep b****ing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Owner trying to win sucks Lose, lose, lose then Thad can keep b****ing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 07:19 PM) Six teams, including Boston and Toronto, ahead of the team for that second wild card spot. Check. Six teams. That's incredible to think some people think we are in the race. Sell. This is just like last year. I want us to sell now, not after other teams start dumping players and we get scraps for "name" players. I'd trade Frazier and Robertson ASAP and get this thing rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) So it looks like Cooper has fixed Shields....at least for now. 4 good starts in a row; went 8 last night. Assuming Hahn has seen reality re this team's chances.... is now the time to flip him? Yes. In real estate, it's called The Greater Fool Theory. If someone will take him, as long as it is better deal than Tatis, do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Report just out that the Commissioner offered Boston the option to undo their trade with San Diego in August. Wonder why the same opportunity wasn't afforded to the White Sox regarding Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) Report just out that the Commissioner offered Boston the option to undo their trade with San Diego in August. Wonder why the same opportunity wasn't afforded to the White Sox regarding Shields. Good question. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) Report just out that the Commissioner offered Boston the option to undo their trade with San Diego in August. Wonder why the same opportunity wasn't afforded to the White Sox regarding Shields. Because Drew Pomerantz has an injury and Shields apparently doesnt. He is just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) Because Drew Pomerantz has an injury and Shields apparently doesnt. Are you sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 12:26 AM) Are you sure about that? Sounds logical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Erik Johnson is having TJ surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) Erik Johnson is having TJ surgery. Well that would explain a lot of his last couple years if that were starting to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 08:18 PM) Well that would explain a lot of his last couple years if that were starting to go. Not really. He was the IL pitcher of the year in 2015. Might explain why he was worse than ever this year.He just sucks. IMO he became a robot and that is fine when you are going well, when thing don't he didn't really have another plan. Edited October 8, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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