illinilaw08 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) i understand people wanting to trade Jimmy for picks, but I just dont want that. This front office doesnt deserve it, i dont want to see them f*** all of this up. I would rather they sit on their hands and the team crash spectacularly into the ground and miss the playoffs again, with a 1/4 filled UC with booing fans at the end of the season. I dont want Garpax "fixing" this team. I dont want them settling for a s***ty deal with Boston where they dont get that Nets pick, i dont want them making any high picks in the draft, i dont want them doing anything anymore. f*** them. I guess the question is this. Does trading Jimmy for picks lead to an extended leash for Paxson? Is Gar gone regardless? If Paxson is still here no matter what, then it's either trust Paxson to make good picks, or it's waste the rest of Jimmy's time in Chicago without getting anything back in return. To me, this is similar to the Sox. The Bulls need to do something. Either that's trying to add another star through trade or FA, or it's moving Butler and starting over in what is supposed to be a loaded draft. In either event, you have to hope that the Bulls' FO doesn't screw it up. To me, Jaylen Brown, Crowder and the Nets pick in '17 might be enough to get it done. But there's no deal without Brown + the Nets pick in '17 as two of the pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It would be great if the Pelicans took out the Warriors in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) I guess the question is this. Does trading Jimmy for picks lead to an extended leash for Paxson? Is Gar gone regardless? If Paxson is still here no matter what, then it's either trust Paxson to make good picks, or it's waste the rest of Jimmy's time in Chicago without getting anything back in return. To me, this is similar to the Sox. The Bulls need to do something. Either that's trying to add another star through trade or FA, or it's moving Butler and starting over in what is supposed to be a loaded draft. In either event, you have to hope that the Bulls' FO doesn't screw it up. To me, Jaylen Brown, Crowder and the Nets pick in '17 might be enough to get it done. But there's no deal without Brown + the Nets pick in '17 as two of the pieces. Yea, I don't see it like the sox at all because I have zero faith that Gar could pull off anything similar to the Sale or Eaton trade. Think about some of the mind boggling stupid decisions that guy has made. He lost Asik for nothing. He traded Korver 4 years ago for nothing, the same Korver that just fetched a first rounder. He traded 2 first rounders for McDermott who it turns out isn't the guy they have been desperately trying to replace, Korver. He signed Dunleavy to a three year deal when Dunleavy wasn't even sure he was going to be able to play again(and really, he hasn't). Teague over the guy his coach wanted. f***ING HOIBERG Then you go into all of the things he may have done, like telling Butler he was going to give Snell his deal if he didn't accept an offer, the childish power struggle with Thibs for RECOGNITION. Telling the players not to listen to Thibs in his final year. I'm sure there are many many many more that I'm leaving out. Bottom line, again, is f*** that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 08:44 AM) i understand people wanting to trade Jimmy for picks, but I just dont want that. This front office doesnt deserve it, i dont want to see them f*** all of this up. I would rather they sit on their hands and the team crash spectacularly into the ground and miss the playoffs again, with a 1/4 filled UC with booing fans at the end of the season. I dont want Garpax "fixing" this team. I dont want them settling for a s***ty deal with Boston where they dont get that Nets pick, i dont want them making any high picks in the draft, i dont want them doing anything anymore. f*** them. Totally. I'd rather continue doing what they have been doing rather than giving this group the keys to a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) Yea, I don't see it like the sox at all because I have zero faith that Gar could pull off anything similar to the Sale or Eaton trade. Think about some of the mind boggling stupid decisions that guy has made. He lost Asik for nothing. He traded Korver 4 years ago for nothing, the same Korver that just fetched a first rounder. He traded 2 first rounders for McDermott who it turns out isn't the guy they have been desperately trying to replace, Korver. He signed Dunleavy to a three year deal when Dunleavy wasn't even sure he was going to be able to play again(and really, he hasn't). Teague over the guy his coach wanted. f***ING HOIBERG Then you go into all of the things he may have done, like telling Butler he was going to give Snell his deal if he didn't accept an offer, the childish power struggle with Thibs for RECOGNITION. Telling the players not to listen to Thibs in his final year. I'm sure there are many many many more that I'm leaving out. Bottom line, again, is f*** that guy The only real distinction is whether you trust the front office. And I really do agree that there's not a lot of reason to trust this front office. But is there any real indication that the entire GarPax regime is even close to being let go? If doing nothing this year leads to GarPax being going, and the entire front office starting over, then I'm all for sitting out the trade deadline. The Nets' pick in '18 should have tremendous value as well, and the Bulls will still have Butler as an asset to move. But if it's irrelevant? If GarPax is here for another couple years because something something loyalty? Then you have to trust they can get it together. Superstar trades usually suck because the teams who are buying have mediocre assets to spin off. The fact that the Celtics are holding the Nets' pick, and another young, intriguing asset in Brown makes the current situation unique. IF Brown + the Nets' pick in '17 is on the table, I think the Bulls have to really think about grabbing that deal, and give GarPax a very short leash to not screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) I was talking about the players, not management. Oh, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) It would be great if the Pelicans took out the Warriors in the 1st round. Well that would never happen, but cool post anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ouch, Deadspin gives a little bit of a Derrick Rose reality check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) Well that would never happen, but cool post anyway. Did I say it would happen? Can you tell me what Rick Hahn is having for dinner next Thursday if you can tell the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Did I say it would happen? Can you tell me what Rick Hahn is having for dinner next Thursday if you can tell the future? At least give him a better question. The answer is obviously the hearts of Nationals fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Ouch, Deadspin gives a little bit of a Derrick Rose reality check That is a nice look at both side of why someone would trade for Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Did I say it would happen? Can you tell me what Rick Hahn is having for dinner next Thursday if you can tell the future? He will be eating the hearts of Nationals fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 In an effort to destroy the hopes of my fantasy team, the Nets have lowered the price on Brook Lopez. A deal literally anywhere else will deflate his insane usage rate. I would love to see him on the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Jeannie Buss fired Jim Buss. Magic Johnson now President of Basketball ops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) Jeannie Buss fired Jim Buss. Magic Johnson now President of Basketball ops This guy. Earvin Magic Johnson @MagicJohnson 31 Oct 2016 I'm impressed w/ the Chicago Bulls starting Rondo, Butler, Wade & MCW off the bench they have the 3rd best group of guards in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 670 The Score @670TheScore 35m35 minutes ago Report: #Bulls are rebuffing trade inquiries on Jimmy Butler http://cbsloc.al/2lIPZKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Freep Sports @freepsports 1h1 hour ago Ben Gordon is attempting an NBA comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) This guy. Earvin Magic Johnson @MagicJohnson 31 Oct 2016 I'm impressed w/ the Chicago Bulls starting Rondo, Butler, Wade & MCW off the bench they have the 3rd best group of guards in the league... Well, Magic, come and get 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 In recent memory, perhaps no team is more loaded in assets outside of their roster than the Boston Celtics. Before we even consider what they have in future drafts, don’t forget this team still has 2016 first-round picks Ante Zizic and Guerschon Yabusele overseas — Dancing Bear is one of the best nicknames ever, by the way. Both of those players have a chance to come over next year, too. This season, Yabusele is averaging 21.5 points, 9.5 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.0 blocks, 1.3 steals and 2.0 treys on 54.2 percent from the field and 68.9 percent from the line in China with the Shanghai Sharks. Meanwhile, Zizic is averaging 15.5 points, 7.1 boards, 1.0 assist, 1.1 blocks, 0.5 steals and 2.0 turnovers in 25.5 minutes per game in multiple high-end Euro leagues. Pretty solid. Yabusele projects as a wide-bodied, floor-spacing four with the ability to play the five, which makes him a great fit for the way NBA teams construct rosters now. Zizic is more of a typical five at 7'0", but you can never have enough decent centers, right? Just look at how many bigs have been overpaid in the past few years. When it comes to the upcoming drafts, Boston is completely stacked. They have what should be the No. 1 lottery position with the Nets unprotected pick in a pick swap (that means Brooklyn gets the Boston pick in the late first), they get the Nets pick unprotected in the 2018 draft, Boston also gets its own picks in the 2018 and 2019 drafts, a 2019 lottery-protected first round Clippers pick, and a top-eight protected Memphis pick in 2019. By the way, they got those picks in the fleecing Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett deal, the Memphis pick from the 2015 Jeff Green deal, and that Clippers pick is from 2016 draft night when they traded the No. 31 and 35 picks to get that upcoming selection. On top of those, Boston is stacked in the second round. Sparing you some protections here, here are their second-round assets: they have the 2017 second-round picks of the Wolves, Clippers and Cavs. They also have the second-round picks for the Pistons in 2019, and also in 2020 they have the Miami pick in the second round. Crazy. If the protections work out, that’s 13 picks in the next four years! Chicago is wisely waiting this out to see if Boston will budge and unload some of their picks. With all those draft picks, they almost have to make a move just because they only have 15 roster spots and some of those picks just won't have a spot. This should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 How about we trade Jimmy for Danny Ainge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) In recent memory, perhaps no team is more loaded in assets outside of their roster than the Boston Celtics. Before we even consider what they have in future drafts, don’t forget this team still has 2016 first-round picks Ante Zizic and Guerschon Yabusele overseas — Dancing Bear is one of the best nicknames ever, by the way. Both of those players have a chance to come over next year, too. This season, Yabusele is averaging 21.5 points, 9.5 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.0 blocks, 1.3 steals and 2.0 treys on 54.2 percent from the field and 68.9 percent from the line in China with the Shanghai Sharks. Meanwhile, Zizic is averaging 15.5 points, 7.1 boards, 1.0 assist, 1.1 blocks, 0.5 steals and 2.0 turnovers in 25.5 minutes per game in multiple high-end Euro leagues. Pretty solid. Yabusele projects as a wide-bodied, floor-spacing four with the ability to play the five, which makes him a great fit for the way NBA teams construct rosters now. Zizic is more of a typical five at 7'0", but you can never have enough decent centers, right? Just look at how many bigs have been overpaid in the past few years. When it comes to the upcoming drafts, Boston is completely stacked. They have what should be the No. 1 lottery position with the Nets unprotected pick in a pick swap (that means Brooklyn gets the Boston pick in the late first), they get the Nets pick unprotected in the 2018 draft, Boston also gets its own picks in the 2018 and 2019 drafts, a 2019 lottery-protected first round Clippers pick, and a top-eight protected Memphis pick in 2019. By the way, they got those picks in the fleecing Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett deal, the Memphis pick from the 2015 Jeff Green deal, and that Clippers pick is from 2016 draft night when they traded the No. 31 and 35 picks to get that upcoming selection. On top of those, Boston is stacked in the second round. Sparing you some protections here, here are their second-round assets: they have the 2017 second-round picks of the Wolves, Clippers and Cavs. They also have the second-round picks for the Pistons in 2019, and also in 2020 they have the Miami pick in the second round. Crazy. If the protections work out, that’s 13 picks in the next four years! Chicago is wisely waiting this out to see if Boston will budge and unload some of their picks. With all those draft picks, they almost have to make a move just because they only have 15 roster spots and some of those picks just won't have a spot. This should be fun. On a side note: Is there a team in U.S. major sports in a worse position overall than the Brooklyn Nets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 2h2 hours ago Magic Johnson and Larry Bird can now negotiate trades against/with each other. Wrap your head around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (Sonik22 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) On a side note: Is there a team in U.S. major sports in a worse position overall than the Brooklyn Nets? The Sacramento Kings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) At this point, it's more likely that Boston lands Paul George by the deadline than Butler. The Bulls and Celtics are farther apart on this than people seem to be reporting. Chicago is not intrigued at all by Boston's latest offer. Unless they have a major change of heart, or another team comes out of left field, Butler will remain a Bull for the rest of the season at least. I take this back. Celtics have had a change of heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 whitesoxdave saying the Bulls are trying to add Niko to the deal in order to get the Nets pick back. Weird source, i know, and he is throwing a "TIFWIW" in front of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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