The reality is that in this the 22nd year of the existence of the AL Central, with small market Cleveland well on its way to wining this division for the eighth time, you combine that with how many times the other two small market teams have won the division, and you'll see that the large market White Sox, with its resources advantage, has been aced a whopping 15 times by a small market team over that 22 year period.

 

15 division titles between Cleveland, Minnesota, and KC, and just three for the Sox. This despite the Sox being the only team in the bunch with a sweetheart lease deal in place that allows them to keep far more of its revenues than those other teams can. It's clear what those other teams lack in $$$ resources they make up for in superior front office capital running those organizations.

 

So yes, the reality is more of the same until that time when a change at the top finally occurs.

 

I would be curious to see the details of those other teams leases.

The reality is that in this the 22nd year of the existence of the AL Central, with small market Cleveland well on its way to wining this division for the eighth time, you combine that with how many times the other two small market teams have won the division, and you'll see that the large market White Sox, with its resources advantage, has been aced a whopping 15 times by a small market team over that 22 year period.

 

15 division titles between Cleveland, Minnesota, and KC, and just three for the Sox. This despite the Sox being the only team in the bunch with a sweetheart lease deal in place that allows them to keep far more of its revenues than those other teams can. It's clear what those other teams lack in $$$ resources they make up for in superior front office capital running those organizations.

 

So yes, the reality is more of the same until that time when a change at the top finally occurs.

 

 

And 2 of those teams have done the only thing that matters which is win a world series. Neither of them is the Indians. And one of them was put together by our current management team that is in place.

And 2 of those teams have done the only thing that matters which is win a world series. Neither of them is the Indians. And one of them was put together by our current management team that is in place.

There's no argument the Sox were far more successful in one of their three playoff appearances since the inception of the current division structure than the Indians and Twins were in their 14 combined appearances during that same time frame. But that wasn't the point I was making. The more overarching observation was that the small market teams in the division have won the division five times as often as the large market Chicago White Sox have. That's kind of embarrassing. And the "current management team that is in place" that you reference has only built teams that have won the division in just two of their 15 years now being at this thing. Not exactly an eye popping record of achievement.

I would be curious to see the details of those other teams leases.

 

Don't question it! The Sox are dumb and their problems are totally unique in MLB.

There's no argument the Sox were far more successful in one of their three playoff appearances since the inception of the current division structure than the Indians and Twins were in their 14 combined appearances during that same time frame. But that wasn't the point I was making. The more overarching observation was that the small market teams in the division have won the division five times as often as the large market Chicago White Sox have. That's kind of embarrassing. And the "current management team that is in place" that you reference has only built teams that have won the division in just two of their 15 years now being at this thing. Not exactly an eye popping record of achievement.

 

Actually I would agree with the assessment that the White Sox are more accurately a mid-market team and the Cubs the large market team in Chicago.

 

 

bleacherreport.com/articles/961412-mlb...30-mlb-teams-by-market-size

 

Fools gold

Regardless of the stadium lease, the Sox still have a bigger budget than everyone but Detroit.

It's how they use their money that's the problem.

Hahn's strength is numbers and contracts. He's way over his head in his current job.

My guess is if they're trading for anyone of substance, he'll not just be a rental. This doesn't include bullpen help, thou.

My guess is if they're trading for anyone of substance, he'll not just be a rental. This doesn't include bullpen help, thou.

Probably true. They'll go for a 1.5 -2.5 year guy or a pay down a bad contract with extra prospects. It will be a veteran at or past his prime.

We likely have at least another year of Rick Hahn's dog and pony show.

Edited July 10, 20169 yr by GreenSox

I would be curious to see the details of those other teams leases.

And then you can figure it out?

http://mlb.mlb.com/kc/download/announcemen...oyals012406.pdf

 

There's the Royals' lease agreement (revisited in 2006).

 

 

http://www.810whb.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1001

 

It wasn't good for the taxpayers, but isn't nearly as onerous as the USCF one in terms of parking revenue and the attendance guarantees...and a lot of the money was used for improvements in what is now one of the older stadiums in baseball (early 1970's).

Edited July 11, 20169 yr by caulfield12

The Sox are silly for waiting 3 more weeks to make any moves for a pen arm and bat. They should get a bat during the all star break. Yes Morneau is going to be ready but that's not enough.

The Sox are silly for waiting 3 more weeks to make any moves for a pen arm and bat. They should get a bat during the all star break. Yes Morneau is going to be ready but that's not enough.

 

 

I'm sure they're trying. I'm not sure they have enough to outbid other teams for Bruce, CarGo, or Reddick. All of those guys would also require Eaton to move back to CF. I would target Steve Pearce and Derek Norris and get the pitching help from within with Fulmer, Burdi, and Goldberg.

I'm sure they're trying. I'm not sure they have enough to outbid other teams for Bruce, CarGo, or Reddick. All of those guys would also require Eaton to move back to CF. I would target Steve Pearce and Derek Norris and get the pitching help from within with Fulmer, Burdi, and Goldberg.

I know it takes two to tango so-to-speak but I just don't want them standing pat. Either "go for it" or sell.

 

Not necessarily if Morneau sucks, you can move Melky to DH and have one of them in the outfield or vice versa

Edited July 11, 20169 yr by SouthSideSale

The Sox are silly for waiting 3 more weeks to make any moves for a pen arm and bat. They should get a bat during the all star break. Yes Morneau is going to be ready but that's not enough.

 

What offers are out there that they are missing out on?

George King of the New York Post has the White Sox as a potential fit for Beltran.

 

http://nypost.com/2016/07/10/yanks-could-h...-morneau-fails/

http://mlb.mlb.com/kc/download/announcemen...oyals012406.pdf

 

There's the Royals' lease agreement (revisited in 2006).

 

 

http://www.810whb.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1001

 

It wasn't good for the taxpayers, but isn't nearly as onerous as the USCF one in terms of parking revenue and the attendance guarantees...and a lot of the money was used for improvements in what is now one of the older stadiums in baseball (early 1970's).

 

So the Royals basically pocket all of their stadium money. The tax fund that funds USCF at least has to go to improvements towards the stadium. That is what funded the new scoreboards, and and the renovations.

George King of the New York Post has the White Sox as a potential fit for Beltran.

 

http://nypost.com/2016/07/10/yanks-could-h...-morneau-fails/

Beltran is having a nice year, 19 homers. But I'd say "pass." He's too old, 39. He actually would be a good pickup for the Royals. I think they are more apt to make a playoff run than we are. He could be this year's Rios for them.

Either go for it or sell. No in between nonsense.

I'd be interested to see some in depth stats that illustrate how much difference a big bat would have made in our line up in the first half and forecasted into the second.

 

As in - how many LOB have we had per game on average. How many 2nd base or 3rd base runners stranded with 0 outs / 1 out / 2 outs... Take those stats and figure how much would change with a producer added.

 

Maybe - just maybe - a big bat would do a lot for this team.

 

Most likely not enough but just wondering.

I'd be interested to see some in depth stats that illustrate how much difference a big bat would have made in our line up in the first half and forecasted into the second.

 

As in - how many LOB have we had per game on average. How many 2nd base or 3rd base runners stranded with 0 outs / 1 out / 2 outs... Take those stats and figure how much would change with a producer added.

 

Maybe - just maybe - a big bat would do a lot for this team.

 

Most likely not enough but just wondering.

I'd assume just take what player you'd add (call him X). Take a stat like RISP and then factor player X in.

I'd assume just take what player you'd add (call him X). Take a stat like RISP and then factor player X in.

Sox are hitting .239. Beltran is hitting .215. Bruce .366.

Sox are hitting .239. Beltran is hitting .215. Bruce .366.

Curious about Cargo. Now I know his road splits are worse but he'd be coming to a very hitter friendly park. Not as good as Colorado but it's good. He would've hit bombs this weekend at the Cell. I'd much rather have him than Bruce.

Curious about Cargo. Now I know his road splits are worse but he'd be coming to a very hitter friendly park. Not as good as Colorado but it's good. He would've hit bombs this weekend at the Cell. I'd much rather have him than Bruce.

.306

For conversation sake:

 

Jose Abreu - .258

Todd Frazier - .145

Melky - .293

Lawrie - .284

Avi - .333

Shuck - .208

Navaro - .234

Eaton - .239

Anderson - .278

Jackson - .364