Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 10:43 PM) Nope. Catholic who hasn't attended mass in over a year. Nice try, though. Why did you catch feelings about this then?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 10:31 PM) I can totally respect that LaRoche may have gotten a prescription drug addiction partly from baseball. Everything else about him is super weird, but I think the drug thing with pro athletes is super valid, if you lose any edge, there goes your massive payday. No offense, but Adderall can be abused by pretty much anyone looking for a little bit of edge in the focus department. I'm 33 and college kids were using that s*** religiously to get by back in the day. I don't think being a baseball player really has anything to do with it.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Oh cool, another SoxTalk Laroche thread where it's totally rad to make fun of a dude's religiosity. That's swell. FWIW, I think Laroche sucks. He played terribly for us, and then quit because he thought being a baseball player exempted him from a pretty ordinary workplace expectation. But being a super evangelical has dick-all to do with it. Let me guess, you're a super evangelical.

Moncada 1/3 & BB. Delmoncio 2/4 so far. Fisher with his first HR at Winston Salem. Micker 2/4 so far tonight. Adams with 5 K's through 4, but gave up a 2R HR.

Frazier is now officially a league average hitter despite a ridiculously low .218 BABIP. He'll finish the season with 3+ WAR and I think he'll return something of value 30 days from now.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) If it's any consolation, I've heard LaRoche, who lives in Ks., is doing great work with veterans. he has a big fundraiser for them and routinely hosts events on his property raising money for veterans and funding hunting trips for them, etc. I don't think LaRoche is an evil person by a long shot. Who cares if he wanted his kid to hang out in the clubhouse? I don't automatically take the team's side on issues like that. The kid is probably being raised to be a good kid. This is from a guy who despised LaRoche's hitting as a member of the Sox. Hopefully it's as great as the work he did with those underage prostitutes in Thailand.

How about not gambling on signing a bunch of stars when it's never worked before (despite already having at least one star in place) and instead trying to draft and develop our own stars no matter how painful that may be. We didn't trade Butler to immediately sign a lesser version of him and go right back to NBA hell, or at least I hope not.

So what exactly happened? Is there a source?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) I don't understand the posters that would rather be right than have a White Sox player do well. It seems like you'd be happy if Kahnle reverted back to his previous form. But dat beef sandwich!

Chicago is the greatest city in the world and anyone that would consider leaving is a dirty rotten traitor.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Alex Call is playing. No Burger or Sheets. That's awesome about Call. Really need to get him back in Winston Salem.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) What's wrong with Candelario? I don't think he sticks at 3B and don't he has nearly enough upside to be the second piece in a Quintana deal.

I love me some Eloy Jimenez, but I really don't like really like the Cubs' secondary pieces. Don't get me wrong, a Jimenez plus Schwarber or Happ deal would work for me obviously, but the Cubs aren't doing anything like that, at least not for Quintana.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) I agree...I don't think it does us any good to be packaging some of our better assets such as Q and Robertson or Kahnle unless it gets us the PARTICULAR guy(s) that you really want. Otherwise, there is enough demand out there to trade them separately and get additional depth. That being the case, if the Sox really loved Rutherford or Frazier, for instance, much more so than Tucker or hypothetically Jimenez, maybe it would be worth burning one of those chips to get the guy they really wanted as opposed to just some other top 50 prospect. 100% agree. I think more often than not, you're better off selling your key assets separately. Now if there is a guy who your scouts are convinced is a sure fire superstar then I get it and it's possible soemone offers something just so overwhelming you have to take it. But typically teams only want to trade so many prospects (or only have so many) at one time that you're better off doing deals with multiple clubs.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) Honestly I think Q is worth one of these packages Frazier + Sheffield + Andujar or Rutherford + Sheffield + Adams + Andujar Last off season i had him and Eaton pegged at near identical value but having said that the trade deadline brings about another level to the mix so we will see. Hahn will get what he demands or he keeps Q, I'm not worried. Additionally I think the sox are better served just paying down Robertson's contract to get the best value, his contract isn't some albatross; its actually below the going rate, just look at Melancon. The difference in value between Frazier & Rutherford is not Adams. Honestly, I bet most scouts are split on who the better prospect is. I do think that first package is fairly reasonable though. Maybe throw in Todd if Andujad is too good of a 3rd piece, but I think the basic framework is there.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:30 AM) Excellent article and those are good possibilities. It's really a shame that they lost 2 of their top prospects to injury; unfortunate for those guys, and makes it tougher to trade the prospects they have left. It's not like they died. Torres in particular should be fine.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) We can't forget that it isn't a given that the Sox will be willing to eat any of Robertson's salary. Heyman posted an article today saying the Sox will gladly eat salary if it gets them a better prospect return. Right or wrong, I'm operating under that assumption for the time-being. And if we're willing to, I think a Soto or more realistically a Kieboom headliner becomes a possibility with WAS. Look, I'd do Frazier, Sheffield/Adams, & Andujar in a heartbeat for Q. If that's a little too rich for their blood, throw in Frazier and get back a low-end prospect to fill out the deal. Robertson should land a low end top 100 prospect in this market if we eat even a small amount of salary. We take on a bigger chunk and he suddenly becomes one of the most valuable relievers on the market that any team can afford. Trading him and Quintana should result in an absolute haul and I'm not quite sure that proposed offer is quite that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) Landing one of Frazier/Rutherford + one of Sheffield/Adams/ + Andujar + Abreu would be a great deal For both guys?

s***'s about to get real. Too many teams in need of pitching with strong farm systems along with limited sellers puts us in a great spot. I don't think that Yankees package is enough for both Quintana & Robertson though. Would either need a better 4th piece than Abreu or an interesting 5th piece to consider such a deal. Otherwise, I think you can get more by selling them seperately.

QUOTE (Username @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 06:59 AM) Yeah I think you're probably right. Another option might still be including Fowler in the package (if it's more depth oriented). Kind of a unique situation because the Sox team doctor actually did the surgery, so they might have a better feel for his outlook/more willing to take a risk. Honestly, I don't think Fowler ever made sense for us. He's a good young player, but the low BB rate is concerning. We already have several core guys on the major league team with that profile in Anderson, Abreu, & potentially Avi. Frazier is the guy I really want in a Quintana trade. Elite bat speed, plus power potential, draws walks, strong arm. I think his ceiling is significantly higher than Fowler's despite being a corner-only guy.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 12:07 AM) I think Ron883 is right. We might be in a rebuild but we need some vets on tgwcteam. Who do we realistically have in the system that can step in for Melky and Frazier? Another couple years maybe but not now. I think the trade chips are Robertson and Quintana for sure and maybe Swarzak and Kahnle Some combination of Davidson, Delmonico, Sanchez (w/ Moncada to 2B), Willy, & Engel would replace these guys immediately. So to answer your question, we have a f***ton of options. Extending either guy is beyond a terrible idea and I like both of them as players. Melky in particular can't hit enough to make up for his inability to play a solid LF and the idea of just moving him to 1B is absurd.

QUOTE (Username @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 06:29 AM) I'm a bit worried about the implications of the Fowler injury last night. The Yankees glut of OF prospects was really the big basis for a trade - as they could make a trade while still not emptying the farm. Fowler seemed either likely to be in a potential deadline deal, or at the very least his success at AAA theoretically would've made trading Frazier easier (both for this year and next). A Patellar Tendon rupture is about as serious of a knee injury as there is. For a player that derives some of his value from being able to play center field that's not good (look at Tilson on a much less serious injury). In the very least it means the Yankees might need Frazier this year, and at the worst it clouds their long-term OF picture enough to make them back off on unloading OF depth. It might impact their decision-making, but they still have a full OF once Hicks gets off the DL and all four of their starting caliber OFs are controllable through next season. IMO, this probably doesn't take Frazier off the table for the right TOR starter. That's still a bigger need for them than OF depth.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 04:41 AM) https://sports.yahoo.com/rival-executives-e...-153000336.html Verlander expected to be put on trade market https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-bas...d-ranked-value/ Note comments on Top 100 trade candidates Braves, Cubs, Blue Jays, Boston, NYY, Houston, Dodgers all in play for starting pitching. 3 Quintana 20 Robertson 50 Holland 66 Frazier 76 Cabrera 91 Shields Others: Pelfrey, Swarzak, Kahnle, Leury Garcia, Yolmer Sanchez, Hanson (970 ops w/ Sox) I think the most important points in that article are the Sox are willing to eat some money on Robertson's contract in order to get better prospects back, there may not be a lot of proven closers available, and if Cole isn't available (which Heyman believes to be the case) then Quintana will be the top starter on the market at the deadline. Also, it wasn't in this article, but it sounds like the Dodgers want to add a cost-controlled TOR starter as well. Q's market is setting up very nicely assuming he continues to pitch well.

Really wish we could give Willy more playing time.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 11:16 PM) Melky has a strong accurate throwing arm. Sign him to an extension Gross.