GoodAsGould Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:18 PM) Brought in MacDougal to face a switch-hitter. Coming into today, MacDougal was allowing lefty hitters to hit him at a .417 clip. If you're going to bring him in, then let him face Theriot. I had no problem with bringing in Hall to face Pagan, your setup man should be able to get a AAAA OF out... and Mac looked really good yesterday too. The problem was why was he out there in the 8th, which was just completely dumb. But regardless because of our anemic offense didnt matter if we were down 1 run or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ May 18, 2007 -> 09:20 PM) ^^^^^^ DING DING DING DING Did Ozzie do his homework to know this? Or was he busy thinking of his next insult for Jay Mariotti? Even though I have no problem with his argument today, his verbal immaturity with Mike North got him one step closer to the exit door though. He needs to show some professionalism....and I'm sure KW just loved his comments today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:18 PM) I'm really interested to see what happens with Hall. Had a good game today, and I'm wondering how long it takes for him to end up in a prolonged slump. Well, Hall isn't a good hitter. Look at his career numbers, and you'll draw the same conclusion. Don't blame Walker when Hall shows that he isn't Jorge Posada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I just don't want Cliff MacDougal anywhere near a close game. He should be the last man out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Well, s***, we're going to lose upwards of 70 games this year. This loss has no effect on anyone else on the AL, giving them a better record. These games are of the least consequence. I'd really like to see us sport a real LF though. Terrero and Sweeney aren't doing it for me. It'd be super if Brian could figure it out and become a member of our OF again. I still think Ryan needs another year in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ May 18, 2007 -> 03:21 PM) Well, Hall isn't a good hitter. Look at his career numbers, and you'll draw the same conclusion. Don't blame Walker when Hall shows that he isn't Jorge Posada. Look at his career numbers vs. lefties. You will see a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:20 PM) The thing with Ozzie is this... Fine MacDougal blows the f***ing game, you're down 1...ok. BUT HOW DO YOU SEND HIM BACK OUT IN THE 8TH? Exactly. I had no problem with bringing him in during the 7th (not to face Pagan, as fathom said). Aardsma or one of the lefties should have started the 7th, because Buehrle had no business hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 18, 2007 -> 09:20 PM) The thing with Ozzie is this... Fine MacDougal blows the f***ing game, you're down 1...ok. BUT HOW DO YOU SEND HIM BACK OUT IN THE 8TH? I've said this for four years now. If the Sox are down by a run or two in the 8th inning, Ozzie never manages with any urgency. It's like he's one of us and just starts pouting and says "f*** this, the game is over". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksd Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:18 PM) Brought in MacDougal to face a switch-hitter. Coming into today, MacDougal was allowing lefty hitters to hit him at a .417 clip. If you're going to bring him in, then let him face Theriot. Wow so one move lost the game entirely for us. Not the four errors, not the fact that this team can't hit for s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:21 PM) Even though I have no problem with his argument today, his verbal immaturity with Mike North got him one step closer to the exit door though. He needs to show some professionalism....and I'm sure KW just loved his comments today. It was a great thing to see/hear from the most visible leader of the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:20 PM) The thing with Ozzie is this... Fine MacDougal blows the f***ing game, you're down 1...ok. BUT HOW DO YOU SEND HIM BACK OUT IN THE 8TH? What if we need Aardsma tomorrow...when we're ahead? If you now consider Aardsma and Thornton the two primary set-up men for the games we're winning, then I suppose it makes some sense. What are the odds of our offense scoring a run against a guy who has converted 89% of his save opportunities, yesterday notwithstanding? The Mets have one of the best offenses in baseball, we are the worst, pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 18, 2007 -> 03:22 PM) Well, s***, we're going to lose upwards of 70 games this year. This loss has no effect on anyone else on the AL, giving them a better record. These games are of the least consequence. I'd really like to see us sport a real LF though. Terrero and Sweeney aren't doing it for me. It'd be super if Brian could figure it out and become a member of our OF again. I still think Ryan needs another year in AAA. The only thing Sweeney needs is a real hitting coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 09:24 PM) The only thing Sweeney needs is a real hitting coach. and steroids or an aluminum bat Edited May 18, 2007 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Well, s***, we're going to lose upwards of 70 games this year. This loss has no effect on anyone else on the AL, giving them a better record. These games are of the least consequence. I'd really like to see us sport a real LF though. Terrero and Sweeney aren't doing it for me. It'd be super if Brian could figure it out and become a member of our OF again. I still think Ryan needs another year in AAA. I tend to agree with you, this loss was obviously pathetic, but Javy has been pitching well, so go get them tomorrow. Zambrano has had 1 good start recentally, and he is a head case, so I'm not quite putting that one in the loss column just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Well, s***, we're going to lose upwards of 70 games this year. This loss has no effect on anyone else on the AL, giving them a better record. These games are of the least consequence. I'd really like to see us sport a real LF though. Terrero and Sweeney aren't doing it for me. It'd be super if Brian could figure it out and become a member of our OF again. I still think Ryan needs another year in AAA. You want Anderson and Erstad to start in LF and CF? We will average 3.5 runs per game for the rest of the season with that line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 totally embarassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 18, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) The thing with Ozzie is this... Fine MacDougal blows the f***ing game, you're down 1...ok. BUT HOW DO YOU SEND HIM BACK OUT IN THE 8TH? That much I agree with. That was just a bizarre call, with a struggling reliever late in a close game. It wasn't the difference, but it was just a poor decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 18, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) What if we need Aardsma tomorrow...when we're ahead? If you now consider Aardsma and Thornton the two primary set-up men for the games we're winning, then I suppose it makes some sense. What are the odds of our offense scoring a run against a guy who has converted 89% of his save opportunities, yesterday notwithstanding? The Mets have one of the best offenses in baseball, we are the worst, pretty much. Did you see the lineup the Mets had out there yesterday? http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?...p&team=away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 What exactly happened to Crede today? I find it hard to believe he couldn't have played. Pablo was a real suckfest out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(jenksd @ May 18, 2007 -> 09:23 PM) Wow so one move lost the game entirely for us. Not the four errors, not the fact that this team can't hit for s***. I could have sworn I answered your question about a move Ozzie made that led to the loss today. When you're up 3-1 with 9 outs remaining, you go for the f***ing win and don't assume you'll score another run that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Maybe it's just the fathom in me speaking, but even when we were up 3-1, it just felt like waiting for the other shoe to drop with the Sox. That says nothing of Buehrle, who was pretty good -- not as efficient as he usually is with his pitches, but still pretty good -- but that one (then two) run lead never really had me comfortable. The Sox really need to win tomorrow, as I'm not liking that Sunday matchup one bit. Edited May 18, 2007 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 18, 2007 -> 09:25 PM) You want Anderson and Erstad to start in LF and CF? We will average 3.5 runs per game for the rest of the season with that line-up. So our offense will improve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) What exactly happened to Crede today? I find it hard to believe he couldn't have played. Pablo was a real suckfest out there. I have the exact same question, Pablo isn't setting the world on fire, Crede's D should have given the edge if it was a coin toss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:25 PM) Did you see the lineup the Mets had out there yesterday? http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?...p&team=away Yeah, but Delgado and Wright had two of those hits, and those guys aren't chopped liver like our current bench...or maybe Swiss Cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 18, 2007 -> 04:25 PM) That much I agree with. That was just a bizarre call, with a struggling reliever late in a close game. It wasn't the difference, but it was just a poor decision. It was like Ozzie said f*** IT, we lost this one. So maybe I can teach McDoofus something. Ya Ozzie, you showed him he doesn't know how to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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