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southsider2k5
post Oct 29, 2009 -> 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) *
I wasn't aware that Obama promised to not accept campaign contributions and was going to seek re-election without doing so. Politicians have to raise money. Period. Even Obama said this during the campaign. If you don't raise money you won't stay in office unless you're an extreme anomaly. People need to stop acting surprised about this, yes we have a terrible system and in most European countries a lot of these things would probably count as electoral fraud but we already knew this and it's not about to change. Frankly, pretending to be shocked is f***ing stupid. Changing this fact would require a constitutional amendment.


The campaign contributions weren't the thing he promised to do away with...
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 08:32 AM
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k, nothing to do with my point though. They watch movies, bowl, and play golf with the president. The horrors of our corrupt system of democracy!

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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 08:40 AM
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QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 09:32 AM) *
k, nothing to do with my point though. They watch movies, bowl, and play golf with the president. The horrors of our corrupt system of democracy!


Again, then don't promise differently when you are running for President. Everyone who dared question these type of statements was mocked during the election cycle. Now that these stupid promises are getting broken, we get mocked for mentioning them.
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 08:44 AM
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) *
Again, then don't promise differently when you are running for President. Everyone who dared question these type of statements was mocked during the election cycle. Now that these stupid promises are getting broken, we get mocked for mentioning them.

This is not a broken promise of any kind. You are directing your ire in the wrong place.

Now, Obama HAS broken promises - but he's not doing that here.
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:01 AM
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Public financing. Anywho...
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:02 AM
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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:20 AM) *
This is not a broken promise of any kind. You are directing your ire in the wrong place.

Now, Obama HAS broken promises - but he's not doing that here.


Am I the only one who remembers that people weren't going to be able to buy access to the White House?
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 12:02 PM) *
Am I the only one who remembers that people weren't going to be able to buy access to the White House?

No but you're making up your own definition of what that means and going with your own expectations of what could be reasonably accomplished (which, somewhat predictably, is an impossible standard). There is absolutely no way possible for any politician to completely ignore their donors, and example the article I mentioned brought up is 100% legal. As long as we're not talking about a flat-out quid pro quo, which is probably illegal, there really isn't a problem. I'm not going to waste my time getting indignant about it and I'll save that for when Obama actually does f*** up or tell a bald-faced lie and in the meantime I'm going mock people who contribute to irrelevant arguments.
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 11:16 AM) *
No but you're making up your own definition of what that means and going with your own expectations of what could be reasonably accomplished (which, somewhat predictably, is an impossible standard). There is absolutely no way possible for any politician to completely ignore their donors, and example the article I mentioned brought up is 100% legal. As long as we're not talking about a flat-out quid pro quo, which is probably illegal, there really isn't a problem. I'm not going to waste my time getting indignant about it and I'll save that for when Obama actually does f*** up or tell a bald-faced lie and in the meantime I'm going mock people who contribute to irrelevant arguments.

An example of him truly breaking a promise is on the "no lobbyists in the administration" thing. Another one was the telecom immunity.
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) *
An example of him truly breaking a promise is on the "no lobbyists in the administration" thing. Another one was the telecom immunity.

He's been pretty full of s*** on the "transparency" thing too. yes he's made a few token steps but nothing really meaningful.
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post Oct 29, 2009 -> 11:00 AM
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QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 29, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) *
He's been pretty full of s*** on the "transparency" thing too. yes he's made a few token steps but nothing really meaningful.

He did a few good things in that realm very early on, then just stopped cold.
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I dont mind Republicans moping around in the Dem thread, just keep the TP's on your side of the pond.
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post Oct 30, 2009 -> 09:30 AM
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post Oct 30, 2009 -> 10:15 AM
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Latest phony idiocy - criticizing Obama for going to Dover and being photographed while saluting the bodies (nevermind that the press is always there). What, is he supposed to do it in secret or some s***? Of all things to make a controversy over, this? For real?
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