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It's crazy how almost all QBs look like this under KOC. His struggles looked just like JJ McCarthy's last year. Constantly overthrowing guys. Inability to layer the ball in at all. Throwing picks right at defenders. If he doesn't get better QB play, his ass is gone in the off-season and they're gonna elevate Flores to HC.

Because of our defense, Caleb's interceptions ended up gaining the Bears 4 points somehow. Mostly because of the pick 6 right after his last interception. I guess you could argue the 1st one cost them 3 points. Still, the Bucs only got 3 points off of the last one before the first half.

Yeah...I don't know about this. Taylor did show he can go 4 innings in the playoffs, so a transition to starter doesn't seem like it's impossible. But this just feels like we're cheaping out. If we replace Taylor with fucking Kenley Jansen, I'm going to be so pissed. If they plan on getting a closer, it better be either Iglesias or Bednar.

It's catching one dude at his absolute worst, and another at his normal.

I'm not sure which thread this belongs in, if any. but I'd like to see Bergolla replace Acuna as utility infielder.

Like I said, putting Caleb in the same stratosphere as what Wentz did last night is just wrong.

Yeah I meant to add that. Paying a good amount of money for a waste of a spot.

For me it is more the money than the roster spot.

Yep, waste of a roster spot.

I wouldn't have a problem with someone wondering out loud about giving up a top level trade return for either one of those guys too.

Definitely. He takes up a rotation spot and money we would have rather seen go to a younger and better starter. I don’t see the Sox acquiring more than one starter right now as a result.

I mean, a fundamental part of someone being a one year wonder is what happens after the standout year, so I’m not sure how fair that is. Otherwise, Vargas and Jordan Walker are also one year wonders by that definition. At any rate, not a hill I care to die on. Seems like most of us are in agreement that it’s likely too high a price to pay for a very talented pitcher who is far from a sure thing.

I keep feeling like the Castillo block around our ankles is going to hold down spending more than anyone has been willing to admit outloud. This doesn't help.

Yeah I think the dream of adding 2 SP is gone. Get one TOR arm at least

First off, he's crazy. Second, calling him a one year wonder is factually accurate as of today. He also never states that going forward he will revert absolutely, if you are looking for facts, not discussion.

You’re quoting different posters…? I’m quoting the one saying it factually in response to you saying no one was saying it factually.

Sounds about like another Todd Ritchie trade...although Detmers has more promise, the odds of remaining him long-term under JR are slim and none unless there really is a salary floor instituted.

You quoted him, and left this out? Come on man.

Sounds very theoretical.

I kinda hate this. Feels like a cost cutting move to avoid having to make a big move for a SP. Not to mention I’m just not sure Taylor has the feel for pitching beyond being able to overpower hitters. Taylor and Hagen have the making of a dominant L/R backend of bullpen that can shorten the game to 7 innings. Keep that strength AND improve the rotation

Caleb just set a record for fewest interceptions over a period of time. Dude had one bad game. I know the sharks circle hoping, but this is no where near the same.

Jenks came from the Angels, fwiw. But a ton of really good and cheaper relievers came from other places...and had lower acquisition costs. Marte Crain Foulke Howry Santos Thornton to name just a few. The times they got in trouble were buying FAs like Linebrink/Dotel (overreaction to 2007 struggles) and Kimbrel/Graveman/Kelly. Robertson they bought at peak value and was just a tier below elite...Hendriks was good until hit by both injuries/illness.

He under went surgery in mid march, so my expectation would be more like Jun to Aug, but I do believe he was already throwing at season end, so that is usually the big step.

No one said it was 100%. The theory was even statistically backed up.

He's just one of many bullpen options. Sox have had too many FA/Trade overpays for relievers over the years like Seranthony, Kimbrel, Graveman, etc for me to be enthusiastic about grabbing a "closer." The best relievers the Sox have had have mostly been homegrown guys like Thigpen, Roberto Hernandez, Bobby Jenks, Nate Jones, Aaron Bummer, and guys who eventually became starters like Hoyt, Sale, Crochet, and now hopefully Taylor. I guess Liam Hendricks was mostly good as a counter example. I just don't think prioritizing the role makes sense. Prioritize the stuff.